How can prostitution remain legal in the US?

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As a general backlash against Prohibition and related things, people throw out the laws against Prostitution during the Great Depression and World War II.

Or, something which can still happen in OTL: Men's Rights Movement take over/gain influence in society and one of the things they do to fight female privilege is to legalize prostitution in order to resist females using sexual power to oppress men/make men do things for them - the "destruction of the Pussy cartel". (pro-prostitution feminists might join in the calls, after all it is fighting 'slut shaming')
 

NothingNow

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... and one of the things they do to fight female privilege is to legalize prostitution in order to resist females using sexual power to oppress men/make men do things for them ...

Question: How are you fighting "female privilege" if you're literally paying them for sex?
 

nooblet

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Some of you guys are seriously misunderstand why people consider prostitution a bad thing. You would have to fight thousands of years of precedent and the inherent complications of the sex trade - something which most people do not want to do, for very good reasons.

The most likely answer to the question would be that the US enacts a policy of looking the other way, and law enforcement doesn't pursue prostitution-related offenses, aside from sex slavery (in which the slavery aspect is being targetted, rather than the trade of sex itself). For the most part that is the policy in place today - escort services are common enough here, and there is an understanding with law enforcement and among society in general that prostitution isn't worth pursuing. Once in a while the participants are caught in sting operations, because the value of using a honey trap is too valuable for law enforcement and spy agencies not to use. A widespread utter revulsion at the idea of prostitution would deny that inroad to social control, which is why the sex trade will likely remain quasi-legal. Actually enforcing laws against prostitution in a consistent manner would be a great expense, and there aren't enough people with sufficient distaste for the practice. Even the ardent anti-prostitution activists are more concerned with using the law as a tool to punish people they consider deviants, and know they don't have the resources or political will to reform society and the law in a way that would produce meaningful results.

In order to have (even more) acceptance of prostitution as a legitimate trade, you'd basically have to undo the influence of Christianity - and the rise of Christianity is a direct response to the moral decay the Romans saw around them. People embraced the new religion specifically because it condemned the sexual attitudes prevalent at the time, because (for various reasons) they saw what was happening to the world around them, and concluded that their society had failed.

I would argue that if someone wanted to abolish prostitution, they wouldn't use legal punishments at all; the best way would be for all men to simply stop paying and refuse to hand over a single cent towards the trade. For that to happen, would require vast changes to society and how men interact with it, but unlike a world where prostitution is socially accepted (which cannot avoid the inherent consequences of the sex trade), it is much more plausible that, in the distant future, prostitutes would simply be starved of clients, and in my view the world would be a much better place by doing so.
 
Question: How are you fighting "female privilege" if you're literally paying them for sex?

Quoted for truth.

The logic is dating and marriage is more 'expensive' than paying for prostitution, and that females are more privileged from the dating/marriage market than pure prostitution. i.e. you have to socially interact with females, 'game' them or talk to them, make them feel happy, pay for their food, etc etc as opposed to paying a single explicit fixed sum for sex and not have to worry about 'gold diggers' or whatever manipulating you.

Legal Prostitution lowers the 'value' of sex as opposed to illegal prostitution which 'raises the value' of sex by providing more of a requirement for males to interact with females. No "paying for my diner doesn't mean i have to fuck you" or "women racking up hundreds of dollars in money for dates/meals to never talk to the guy again."

You know those image macros of 'porn is cheaper than dating, both up front and in hidden costs'? It's basically that.
 
I would argue that if someone wanted to abolish prostitution, they wouldn't use legal punishments at all; the best way would be for all men to simply stop paying and refuse to hand over a single cent towards the trade. For that to happen, would require vast changes to society and how men interact with it, but unlike a world where prostitution is socially accepted (which cannot avoid the inherent consequences of the sex trade), it is much more plausible that, in the distant future, prostitutes would simply be starved of clients, and in my view the world would be a much better place by doing so.

That's just not going to happen. Despite the shaming involved, there will always be men willing to pay for sex. The only way to stop this is to give each and every one of them access to unpaid sex. Contrary to popular belief, there isn't someone for everyone. If you have Asperger's, for example, the odds in the dating game are stacked against you. As a person with Asperger's I refuse to rot in sexual poverty.
 

nooblet

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That's just not going to happen. Despite the shaming involved, there will always be men willing to pay for sex. The only way to stop this is to give each and every one of them access to unpaid sex. Contrary to popular belief, there isn't someone for everyone. If you have Asperger's, for example, the odds in the dating game are stacked against you. As a person with Asperger's I refuse to rot in sexual poverty.

There is no "value" to sex - it's paying for a piece of blue sky.
 
There is no "value" to sex - it's paying for a piece of blue sky.

That's your opinion. You'd feel different if you were deprived of sex on a permanent basis. It's easy to say that sex is no big deal if your sex life is normal. To me it's extremely valuable and prostitutes are a godsend as far as I'm concerned. It's better than nothing at all, which is what I'd be condemned to if prostitution were illegal.
 

nooblet

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That's your opinion. You'd feel different if you were deprived of sex on a permanent basis. It's easy to say that sex is no big deal if your sex life is normal. To me it's extremely valuable and prostitutes are a godsend as far as I'm concerned. It's better than nothing at all, which is what I'd be condemned to if prostitution were illegal.

I am deprived of sex on a regular basis, along with a great many other things.
 
There is no "value" to sex - it's paying for a piece of blue sky.

It does have a value given people pay for it on demand. Sex is a service and prostitution is a service induustry. There were studies which showed there was a value in sex by analyzing the "marriage market" (I forgot where it was from but it was posted on a Men's Rights subreddit where people posted studies there)

That's your opinion. You'd feel different if you were deprived of sex on a permanent basis. It's easy to say that sex is no big deal if your sex life is normal. To me it's extremely valuable and prostitutes are a godsend as far as I'm concerned. It's better than nothing at all, which is what I'd be condemned to if prostitution were illegal.

It's equivalent to people who are fat and full right now saying 'food isn't worth it' to someone suffering under a blockade.

I am deprived of sex on a regular basis, along with a great many other things.

Given Elliot Rodger began his revolution because he was an incel and that arguably Ted Kaczynski became the UNABOMBER partially due to being incel, I would argue forced incel has bad effects on humans
 
And you demand over people deprive themselves?

Good question.

It does have a value given people pay for it on demand. Sex is a service and prostitution is a service induustry. There were studies which showed there was a value in sex by analyzing the "marriage market" (I forgot where it was from but it was posted on a Men's Rights subreddit where people posted studies there)



It's equivalent to people who are fat and full right now saying 'food isn't worth it' to someone suffering under a blockade.



Given Elliot Rodger began his revolution because he was an incel and that arguably Ted Kaczynski became the UNABOMBER partially due to being incel, I would argue forced incel has bad effects on humans

It indeed has, though I think most involuntarily celibate persons are more likely to implode rather than explode. I'm not about to follow in the footsteps of the Unabomber or Elliot Rodger, no matter how depressed I feel. As for nooblet, being deprived of sex on a regular basis =/= being deprived of dating, relationships and sex wholesale on a permanent basis.
 
One possibility is to get a major business behind it.

Prostitution is legal in Nevada, but pushed out of the way. Get some major casino magnates to push for legalization in Las Vegas itself, with many casinos having attached hotels it's an obvious business opportunity to put prostitutes directly on the pay roll.

That also applies to just hotel chains, if out of towners are going to call up prostitutes anyway make them the hotel's prostitutes.
 

Epstein

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Given Elliot Rodger began his revolution because he was an incel and that arguably Ted Kaczynski became the UNABOMBER partially due to being incel, I would argue forced incel has bad effects on humans

Let's get something straight here.

First of all, nobody is forcing anybody to be celibate. Nobody is depriving you of sex. Nobody's locked you in some room and denied you the ability to have sex. What 'involuntary celibacy' really means in MRAspeak is that you expect people to be lining up to fuck you and when this doesn't happen you get sad and angsty and post on the internet about how you've been cheated and screwed over by... whatever collective part of society it is that you think is cockblocking you.

Second, sex isn't some fundamental right that you're entitled to. Nobody needs sex. Sex is a goddamn luxury, and nobody is obligated to give it to you for nothing in return. Just because your gross MRA shitstain ass can't get it does not mean that society and the collective evil of misandry and women have turned their sexless feminist wrath against you.

And if your examples of how involuntary celibacy has negatively impacted society are Eliot Rodger and the fucking Unabomber, maybe the real problem is that you don't have a real argument and beyond repeating half-remembered reddit posts and MRAshevik mantras and you need to shut the fuck up.
 

nooblet

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And you demand over people deprive themselves?

I'm not demanding anything. The point is that paying a prostitute (who likely despises their customer) is no different than wanking; you are in effect starving yourselves by buying a piece of blue sky, at a high price tag, and chasing after a big lie.

A big lie would also describe what most people consider relationships too, but I'm getting carried away with myself.
 

CalBear

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I could move this to Chat, where it would unquestionably become a death match.

Or I can lock this entire disaster.

Locked.

BTW: This doesn't mean that a couple of y'all are out of the woods here. Need to wait and relook at a few of these posts in the light of a new day. Ian will want to review them as well.
 

Ian the Admin

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Or, something which can still happen in OTL: Men's Rights Movement take over/gain influence in society and one of the things they do to fight female privilege is to legalize prostitution in order to resist females using sexual power to oppress men/make men do things for them - the "destruction of the Pussy cartel". (pro-prostitution feminists might join in the calls, after all it is fighting 'slut shaming')

The logic is dating and marriage is more 'expensive' than paying for prostitution, and that females are more privileged from the dating/marriage market than pure prostitution. i.e. you have to socially interact with females, 'game' them or talk to them, make them feel happy, pay for their food, etc etc as opposed to paying a single explicit fixed sum for sex and not have to worry about 'gold diggers' or whatever manipulating you.

Legal Prostitution lowers the 'value' of sex as opposed to illegal prostitution which 'raises the value' of sex by providing more of a requirement for males to interact with females. No "paying for my diner doesn't mean i have to fuck you" or "women racking up hundreds of dollars in money for dates/meals to never talk to the guy again."

You know those image macros of 'porn is cheaper than dating, both up front and in hidden costs'? It's basically that.

It does have a value given people pay for it on demand. Sex is a service and prostitution is a service induustry. There were studies which showed there was a value in sex by analyzing the "marriage market" (I forgot where it was from but it was posted on a Men's Rights subreddit where people posted studies there)

Given Elliot Rodger began his revolution because he was an incel and that arguably Ted Kaczynski became the UNABOMBER partially due to being incel, I would argue forced incel has bad effects on humans

Wow, a genuine misogynist/MRA nutball. I guess your bizarre racism in the black segregation thread was just part of overall nuttiness.

Banned.
 
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