How big of a power boost is Canada to the United States?

[Dan1988]

PEI was already a separate colony by 1777 although with a population of around 2,000 while as you stated New Brunswick was still part of Nova Scotia.

Didn't know about PEI < St. John's Island being a separate colony in 1777. Makes sense.

We had a separate thread a little while ago about what implications of micro colony PEI would have on the constitution talks. Some argued that it would be become part of Nova Scotia but I argued that fly against the idea of each of the 13 original colonies principle of self determination. If PEI could be forced to re-join Nova Scotia what to stop the southern states from demanding sane with RI or other smaller norther states.

Because Rhode Island is made up of a bunch of stubborn people who prefer to beat to a different drum, giving everyone else - North and South - a permanent headache.

With regards to Nova Scotia (and hence the question of PEI), the question becomes whether or not the New England militias and the Continental Navy/Army are able to get past the strong British fortifications in Halifax and thus gain control over Nova Scotia, which I severely doubt. If the Americans gained control over St. John's Island, regardless of the circumstances, it would remain a separate unit.

 

[Lusitania]

Didn't know about PEI < St. John's Island being a separate colony in 1777. Makes sense.



Because Rhode Island is made up of a bunch of stubborn people who prefer to beat to a different drum, giving everyone else - North and South - a permanent headache.

With regards to Nova Scotia (and hence the question of PEI), the question becomes whether or not the New England militias and the Continental Navy/Army are able to get past the strong British fortifications in Halifax and thus gain control over Nova Scotia, which I severely doubt. If the Americans gained control over St. John's Island, regardless of the circumstances, it would remain a separate unit.

Yes we have beaten this idea senseless and thought we left it bloody on the south side of the Canadian US border.

So the author says that BNA join somehow. We not able to determine how or it does not matter. So we have 3 new players at the constitutional negotiations. While maybe Nova Scotia similar to New England the two disrupters are Quebec and PEI. Each for their own reason. These 3 representatives will change the negotiations and the makeup of country from the beginning.

 

[SuperCanada]

With regards to Nova Scotia (and hence the question of PEI), the question becomes whether or not the New England militias and the Continental Navy/Army are able to get past the strong British fortifications in Halifax and thus gain control over Nova Scotia, which I severely doubt. If the Americans gained control over St. John's Island, regardless of the circumstances, it would remain a separate unit.

Why did the British decide to put their main naval base in a peripheral northern outpost like Halifax? You'd think they'd want it in a more central location.

 

[Lusitania]

Why did the British decide to put their main naval base in a peripheral northern outpost like Halifax? You'd think they'd want it in a more central location.

It is not peripheral it was one of the British main bases. It was the most northern ice free ports snd from there the British could patrol the gulf of st Lawrence and northern Atlantic.

The British also had many good ports south of Halifax, some we might know Such as Boston. But they lost control of those ports with the ARW and from that point forward Halifax became even more crucial for the British.

 

[SuperCanada]

It is not peripheral it was one of the British main bases.

It was peripheral in the sense Nova Scotia was basically the northern limit of Anglo colonization, and was relatively underpopulated, hence the lack of full participation in the ARW.

 

[Lusitania]

It was peripheral in the sense Nova Scotia was basically the northern limit of Anglo colonization, and was relatively underpopulated, hence the lack of full participation in the ARW.

Reason Halifax had grown to be a very large naval base and had a substantial military base also was that it had been the British primary base in their wars with France (Acadia and New France) which only end during the 7 year war. The interval between that and ARW had not changed the importance of the city. Then following ARW it became crucial to British.

 

[galanx]

As an example of how confusing the situation was, Michel Chartier (future Marquis de Lobtiniere), a seigneur who was related to two former Governeurs of New France, was a loyal collaborator with the British, was also a champion of French language and rights, and was in London trying to get some of his land which had been taken in the Conquest restored, when the American Revolution broke out. He promptly went too Paris, offered his services to the skeptical French government, and, presenting himself in the Thirteen Colonies as an agent of France, schemed (with decreasing effect) with leading Patriots . Meanwhile his son, whom he had been previously forced to turn over most of his land to due to malfeasance, joined a British regiment, was promptly captured, and spent the war in comfortable captivity, hobnobbing with various Rebels, whom he kept up a correspondence with afterwards. His own daughter eventually married his captor's son (wealth speaks to wealth).