How bad was Mussolini?

Mussolini - quick body count
Cyrenica campaign - at least 25% of the population, 80,000 give or take.
Invasion of Ethiopia - about 650,000 give or take a hundred thousand,
War crimes in both, including use of poison gas in Ethiopia
Killed thousands of political opponents in Italy
Meddled in Spanish Civil War
Bombed Corfu
Invaded Greece
Invaded Albania
Invaded Yugoslavia
Occupied Tunisia
Invaded Egypt
Widespread torture
Concentration Camps

Basically, he was a more extroverted Franco.
 

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Bad enough to end up being shot, his body lynched and being hanged upside down like a piñata by the Italian people.

He proclaimed the racial laws in Italy introducing discrimination against Jews which ended up with about 8000 Italian Jews killed during the Holocaust.
And to do so he had to take out of the circulation an older book of him explaining how stupid he found antisemitism. The Fascit Party had at the begining quite a lot of Italian jewish people.
 
As an Italian-American I loathe Mussolini for taking Italy down a dark path of imperialism and authoritarianism that linked the word "Italian" with "fascism" for a generation.

He was not as bad and Hitler or Stalin (which would be almost impossible) but I do not care because he still engaged in war crimes, crimes against humanity, and crimes against Italy all while acting as Hitler's lapdog.
 
I think he was also not (quite) as bloodthirsty. Note I am not saying he wasn't bloodthirsty just not as much as Hitler or Stalin. That is a very low bar.
 
Cyrenica campaign - at least 25% of the population, 80,000 give or take.
Invasion of Ethiopia - about 650,000 give or take a hundred thousand,
War crimes in both, including use of poison gas in Ethiopia
Killed thousands of political opponents in Italy
Meddled in Spanish Civil War
Bombed Corfu
Invaded Greece
Invaded Albania
Invaded Yugoslavia
Occupied Tunisia
Invaded Egypt
Widespread torture
Concentration Camps

Basically, he was a more extroverted Franco.
Several French and british presidents caused similar casualties during their "colonial pacifications." And they are never mentioned by anyone.( And they also invaded various African empires and civilizations) and nobody usually names them.
 
Keep going! Mussolini is another complex character.

and no: he didn't make the trains run on time. They were still a bit 'Italian' during his time.

Mussolini in the early years was not tied to Hitler. After all, he was not too keen on Anschluss; hence Hitler had to cool it a bit.

Munich was probably his last chance of independent policy.

Mussolini was in many ways a product of Italian 'Balkan' policy. And those things started thousands of years before Mussolini (and will probably carry on for another thousand years).

Atrocities? aplenty, but as mentioned, not limited to Italy.

Was his 'rather live like a lion for one day than living as a sheep for a thousand years' a call that could resonate in the Italian population at large? That was the problem. It didn't really. Most Italians recognised that their industrial base could not sustain a war. And they really didn't want another war.

PS: Mussolini did one thing: he put all suspected of being Mafia in jail (no trial!). The US released them all because: if Mussolini put you in jail you must be OK ; hence the rise of the Mafia in US.

A complex character.
 
😲 How is he NOT equivalent?
Limited goals in line with traditional European Imperialism and colonial attitudes.

Wanted an Empire and control over resources in colonies. Viewed colonial peoples as inferiors to be exploited but not exterminated as sub-humans. Even his attitude to the South Slavs mirrored British attitudes to Ireland or India, not those of Hitler to Poles or Russians.

Edited for typo
 
Several French and british presidents caused similar casualties during their "colonial pacifications." And they are never mentioned by anyone.( And they also invaded various African empires and civilizations) and nobody usually names them.

So it was okay for Mussolini? Does this mean that he was a nice guy? That murdering lots of people don't count?

So it was okay for the British or the French? For America?

And by the way, I don't think the British have Presidents.

Shouldn't we be honest about these things? Maybe we shouldn't give monstrous acts a pass, ever.
 
Limited goals in line with traditional European Imperialism and colonial attitudes.

Wanted an Empire and control over resources in colonies. Viewed colonial peoples as inferiors to be exploited but not exterminated as sub-humans. Even his attitude to the South Slavs mirrored British attitudes to Ireland or India, not those of Hitler to Poles or Russians.

Edited for typo
Slavs, Libyans, Ethiopians, and Greeks say hi
 
He fought the maffia and managed to take away their power until the Scicily landings in ww2
It was a necessary evil for the Allies to cooperate with the Maria in World War 2. Although it restablished a criminal organization, the vital intelligence fron this cooperation saved thousands of lives
 
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