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I mean the sense of humor remark.Good point, as evidenced by the technological superiority of the USA.
I mean the sense of humor remark.Good point, as evidenced by the technological superiority of the USA.
Yeah, but in other systems it tends to be a bug not a feature. You form a hypothesis, you design an experiment to test that hypothesis, and if the hypothesis doesn't prove out, you move on and try and develop a new hypothesis.
What I am is a science idealist.
Don't shatter my dreams.
Extremely. The Nazis distrusted virtually anything to do with theoretical sciences, one of the reasons their atomic program was so shit. They also had an obsession with flashy toys which led to things like the Tiger and Victory weapons, while abandoning more practical projects.
Max Planck wasn't Jewish:Try to build a Atomic bomb without using the Albert Einstein theory of relativity and Max Plank quantum mechanics
Max Planck wasn't Jewish:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Planck
Nor was theoretical physics dismissed in Germany, Heisenberg actually defeated the 'Deutschephysik' movement with Himmler's support, he just couldn't mention Einstein by name when he taught.
The situation with the Nazis was quite complicated, but they came down decidedly as anti-intellectual in most areas and were a particularly poisonous brand of the 19th century German Romanticism movement which had been described as being symbolized by a 'heart with testicles', i.e. masculine emotionality. All aggressive action, little thought. They needed and used science, engineering, and technology, but were decidedly against reasoned thought as the guide for the nation, otherwise how do you get WW2 in the first place?
You are correct, but the Deutschephysik movement was defeated by Heisenberg and Himmler:I had understand that quantum mechanics was not part of 'Deutschephysik'
Or is that wrong information ?
They met with moderate success, but the support from the Nazi party was not as great as Lenard and Stark would have preferred. After a long period of harassment of the quantum physicist Werner Heisenberg, including getting him labeled a "White Jew" in the July 15, 1937, issue of SS's weekly, Das Schwarze Korps (The Black Corps), they began to fall from influence. Heisenberg was not only a pre-eminent physicist whom the Nazis realised they were better off with than without, however "Jewish" his theory might be in the eyes of Stark and Lenard, but Heisenberg had, as a young boy, attended school with SS chief Heinrich Himmler. In a historic moment, Heisenberg's mother rang Himmler's mother and asked her if she would please tell the SS to give "Werner" a break. After beginning a full character evaluation, which Heisenberg both instigated and passed, Himmler forbade further attack on the physicist. Heisenberg would later employ his "Jewish physics," in the German project to develop nuclear fission for the purposes of nuclear weapons or nuclear energy use. Himmler promised Heisenberg that after Germany won the war, the SS would finance a physics institute to be directed by Heisenberg.[11]
Lenard began to play less and less of a role, and soon Stark ran into even more difficulty, as other scientists and industrialists known for being exceptionally "Aryan" came to the defense of Relativity and quantum mechanics. As historian Mark Walker puts it, "despite his best efforts, in the end his science was not accepted, supported, or used by the Third Reich. Stark spent a great deal of his time during the Third Reich fighting with bureaucrats within the National Socialist state. Most of the National Socialist leadership either never supported Lenard and Stark, or abandoned them in the course of the Third Reich."
Sure, no one disputes that.Still didn't repair the damage they had caused from kicking out that many scientists.
There is this german quote from that time "Natural laws can not do anything that they are discovered by Jews"
some times to attribute Heisenberg.
On Education Level of the NSDAP leaders
Hitler Adolf, - dropout with 16 years, no further education. wannabes painter
Göring Hermann, - dropout At sixteen, then he was sent to a military academy in Berlin, from which he graduated with distinction !
Joseph Goebbels, - high-school graduate, studied literature and history, got a Doctor of Philosophy degree from the University of Heidelberg in 1921
Heinrich Himmler, - high-school graduate, studied agronomy, work as laboratory assistant for fertilizer manufacture
Rudolf Hess, - high school student, study mercantilistic,
Ernst Röhm - high-school graduate, graduated military academy,
Martin Bormann - studies at an agricultural trade high school but were interrupted do WW1 not resume his studies.
Albert Speer - high-school graduate, studied Architecture - end up as Minister of armaments industry.
Reinhard Heydrich - high-school graduate, studied music, enter Navy academy
the rest were, high-school graduate, studied jura (law), especial the ones responsible for the Nuremberg Laws and the Holocaust
In decidedly as anti-intellectual in most areas and were a particularly poisonous brand of the 19th century German Romanticism movement which had been described as being symbolized by a 'heart with testicles', i.e. masculine emotionality. All aggressive action, little thought. They needed and used science, engineering, and technology, but were decidedly against reasoned thought as the guide for the nation, otherwise how do you get WW2 in the first place?
Probably not unless they reform. Regardless there will be significant damage to their sciences and engineering talent pools, not least of which as a result of lives lost in the war. They will have substantial assets still even given their damage to education, but it will certainly be felt a generation after the war. The question is what if any changes to education happen in the positive direction post-war given complaints from industry, universities, and even existing scientists to the relevant authorities. Heisenberg was able to get Himmler's help on crushing the 'German physics' movement after all and could teach relativity and push theoretical physics.Which is why means that any TL where they survive the Nazis won't have much science, engineering, and technology after very long. In a the short term they can depend on the generation of scientists and engineers educated before they came to power but in the long-term such an attitude is not conducive to bringing about the next generation of scientists and engineers they need to keep goiing.
Which is why means that any TL where they survive the Nazis won't have much science, engineering, and technology after very long. In a the short term they can depend on the generation of scientists and engineers educated before they came to power ...