Probably, since it will help in the long term. But official regent is Elisabeth because of how she won't ursurp the throne from her son.
This is very true. Alencon I can see causing some trouble though, maybe just as a nuisance.
Probably, since it will help in the long term. But official regent is Elisabeth because of how she won't ursurp the throne from her son.
This is very true. Alencon I can see causing some trouble though, maybe just as a nuisance.
Again, suits his personality. Maybe in hopes that they might hand more things to him since Henri is King of Poland. Maybe in hopes he is created Duke of a larger title, rather than just Alencon.
Oh definitely, something like Orleans perhaps?
Again, will he able to? Although this is usually held by a second born. But without Henri and Henri holding the King of Poland, maybe this is still left empty.
This is very true, didn't Henri have to recant his titles upon becoming King?
Hmm I think it likely would have minor concessions though what would those be?Which could work in this situation. Since it is vacant, Alencon wants to made that. Although if the French Wars of the Religion ends with Catholic supermacy (it has not one but three princes) but will it issue the same edict albeit one which tolerates them but also will have minor concessions for the Catholics.
Hmm I think it likely would have minor concessions though what would those be?
Hmm this is true. Should Henri if navarrae die without issue?Maybe in the form of taxes, which will help enrich the crown in the long run. And also the fact that any King of France has to be nominally catholic, and can be solved by conversion.
If Marie takes on the regency, she might be a lot more tolerant (she won't like them but she will not outright kill them like the Saint Bartholomew's Day Massacre in 1572, mostly because of how horrified she was to learn of what they did). And she might attempt to talk to them and try to find a middle ground. But let's not forget about Catherine d'Medici who still held some sway at this point(and would support her daughter in law's view).
Henri and Marguerite's wedding and Saint Bartholomew's Day Massacre will happen on schedule as Charles IX was still alive and King and the birth of a son is unlikely to change anything about that or giving more power to Elisabeth.This is true, I can still see Henry of Navarre and Margaret of Valois' marriage taking place, without the massacre that happened at their wedding. To you know, cement some sort of peace. Which likely won't last long, with the League pushing down doors and such
Henri and Marguerite's wedding and Saint Bartholomew's Day Massacre will happen on schedule as Charles IX was still alive and King and the birth of a son is unlikely to change anything about that or giving more power to Elisabeth.
Instead the war of the three Henries will be butterflied and the part of the wars of religion under the OTL reign of Henry III will be different
I'm sure this has been done before, but a question I had is this, if the House of Valois continued under either from the line of Charles IX of France or his brother Henry III of France, what consequences would there be?
In regards to domestic politics, I get the feeling that Henry III of Navarre, who became Henry IV of France otl, wouldn't remarry, as there'd be less chance of him becoming King of France, and therefore when he dies be it in battle or otherwise, the House of Bourbon-Vendome would die with him. And Navarre likely goes to his sister and whatever issue she might or might not have. But would this necessairily end the wars of religion that had been raging for the past few decades, or would it simply continue going?
Either way, what changes does a surviving House of Valois bring to France's foreign policy and the development of absolute monarchy that came under Louis XIII and Louis XIV?
Most probably the general outline would be pretty much the same as with the Bourbons. Of course, the 1st thing would be to end the Wars of the Religion but neither Charles IX nor Henry III were the Catholic hardliners so sooner or later the whole mess would end up by the exhaustion with something like Edict of Nantes (Henry of Navarre is still in the field and successful). The most ideological Catholic leader, Henry de Guise, by the end was just keeping the unrest going which he openly acknowledged in his letter to Phillip II (clearly stating amount of money needed): Phillip needed to keep France out of the Dutch rebellion and civil war was the best instrument. There was a hardliner faction within the Catholic League but its leaders had been mostly commoners and Duke de Mayenne ordered their execution when they became an obstacle to a settlement.
Of course, Edict of Nantes was just a temporary solution and as soon as the royal power grew stronger, it started eliminating it by the pieces. Why would it be different under the Valois kings?
After the dust is settled, the foreign policies would start falling into the old framework which Louis XIII and Louis XIV had been following.
Alright interesting, how long could Navarre realistically remain alive without being King? I imagine he'd be the nexct powerful noble after the King's uncles
Well, he still would be king of Navarre, a head of a powerful Protestant party, the most successful French general and Valois relative by marriage so high place is almost guaranteed. Of course, being a pragmatic person, he can eventually reconsider the Protestant part if there is a carrot big enough, like position of the Connetable. The same would go for many Protestant nobles and aristocrats (as in OTL) if being a Catholic meant more advantages at court.
If Henri keeps Polish throne there would be changes in international alliances-at this time King of PLC was still responsible for foreign policy-PLC would be hostile towards Habsburgs, while IOTL untill second half of 17th century PLC was generally pro-Habsburg. As result Sweden could end as Habsburg ally (common foe-PLC) while Denmark would be French ally, unless France manages somehow to be allied to both PLC and Sweden, something tried IOTL during Sobieski's reign. Also Gustav Adolf is butterflied away-IOTL Sigismund Vasa considered marriage with his mother, but choosen Habsburg girl eventually, ITTL not being Polish king he had little reason to marry Austrian. Not even mentioning, that having his son in the country, John Vasa would likely have worse relations with his brother Charles IX , who would be less useful and more dangerous to John's line during last years of John's rule. John has killed one brother already, could do it again.
Depends, ITTL he would rule from Stockholm, not from Warsaw, while even IOTL Charles needed war and bloody repressions against Sigismund's supporters to get the crown. Charles could as well be assassinated or executed ITTL, then only Vasas left besides Sigismund would be Sigismund's half brother Johan and his cousin Gustav Eriksson. Both were weak characters. Sigismund OTOH was not zealot Jesuit King, he considered marriage with Protestant (two times) and tolerated his sister's Protestantism, as King of Sweden recognized Lutheranism as dominant faith of Sweden.Wouldn't Sigismund run the risk of deposition though, if still Catholic?
Interesting so an earlier version of the augusrian Saxon dynasty?Depends, ITTL he would rule from Stockholm, not from Warsaw, while even IOTL Charles needed war and bloody repressions against Sigismund's supporters to get the crown. Charles could as well be assassinated or executed ITTL, then only Vasas left besides Sigismund would be Sigismund's half brother Johan and his cousin Gustav Eriksson. Both were weak characters. Sigismund OTOH was not zealot Jesuit King, he considered marriage with Protestant (two times) and tolerated his sister's Protestantism, as King of Sweden recognized Lutheranism as dominant faith of Sweden.
I suppouse next Vasa generation would convert back to Lutheranism.Interesting so an earlier version of the augusrian Saxon dynasty?