House of Valois-Angoueleme survives

I'm sure this has been done before, but a question I had is this, if the House of Valois continued under either from the line of Charles IX of France or his brother Henry III of France, what consequences would there be?

In regards to domestic politics, I get the feeling that Henry III of Navarre, who became Henry IV of France otl, wouldn't remarry, as there'd be less chance of him becoming King of France, and therefore when he dies be it in battle or otherwise, the House of Bourbon-Vendome would die with him. And Navarre likely goes to his sister and whatever issue she might or might not have. But would this necessairily end the wars of religion that had been raging for the past few decades, or would it simply continue going?

Either way, what changes does a surviving House of Valois bring to France's foreign policy and the development of absolute monarchy that came under Louis XIII and Louis XIV?
 
Well the most likely is to have Charles IX have a legimitate son since there were some... interesting rumors surrounding Henri III, and Henri III will play the regent here or at least hold the regent position while his mother pulls the strings from behind (he did that even until her death, and died the same year as she did).
 
Well the most likely is to have Charles IX have a legimitate son since there were some... interesting rumors surrounding Henri III, and Henri III will play the regent here or at least hold the regent position while his mother pulls the strings from behind (he did that even until her death, and died the same year as she did).
Interesting, Henry remains king of Poland then? Or never gets elected? And should this child of Charles and Elisabeth be born instead of their otl daughter?
 
Interesting, Henry remains king of Poland then? Or never gets elected? And should this child of Charles and Elisabeth be born instead of their otl daughter?

Pretty much will be the only time. As Charles will largely deteriorate after the birth of his daughter. As for the king of Poland, I'm not entirely certain. But it seems that he can keep it, because he managed to do so when Charles only had a daughter.
 
Pretty much will be the only time. As Charles will largely deteriorate after the birth of his daughter. As for the king of Poland, I'm not entirely certain. But it seems that he can keep it, because he managed to do so when Charles only had a daughter.

Hmm interesting, perhaps twins then, a son and a daughter. Son named Charles after his father, daughter with her otl name
 
Agreed. So, what changes come from this? Marie would likely serve as regent no?

If Marie takes on the regency, she might be a lot more tolerant (she won't like them but she will not outright kill them like the Saint Bartholomew's Day Massacre in 1572, mostly because of how horrified she was to learn of what they did). And she might attempt to talk to them and try to find a middle ground. But let's not forget about Catherine d'Medici who still held some sway at this point(and would support her daughter in law's view).
 
If Marie takes on the regency, she might be a lot more tolerant (she won't like them but she will not outright kill them like the Saint Bartholomew's Day Massacre in 1572, mostly because of how horrified she was to learn of what they did). And she might attempt to talk to them and try to find a middle ground. But let's not forget about Catherine d'Medici who still held some sway at this point(and would support her daughter in law's view).

This is true, I can still see Henry of Navarre and Margaret of Valois' marriage taking place, without the massacre that happened at their wedding. To you know, cement some sort of peace. Which likely won't last long, with the League pushing down doors and such
 
Although will Catherine actually play the matchmaker for Henri since it is just one boy away. And will he be able to take the same wife as he did OTL? (Heard that it was a very interesting marriage, with a nickname 'hairdresser for his wife'.) And being only King of Poland instead of King of France, will she be considered a lower match. Or will Elizabeth recommend him her cousins instead, which could be interesting.

And then there is the Duke of Alencon, will he remain allied with the Catholics since he only defected due to differences with Henri later on.
 
Although will Catherine actually play the matchmaker for Henri since it is just one boy away. And will he be able to take the same wife as he did OTL? (Heard that it was a very interesting marriage, with a nickname 'hairdresser for his wife'.) And being only King of Poland instead of King of France, will she be considered a lower match. Or will Elizabeth recommend him her cousins instead, which could be interesting.

And then there is the Duke of Alencon, will he remain allied with the Catholics since he only defected due to differences with Henri later on.

Ah just remembered yes, Elizabeth as regent seems more likely with Catherine helping there sorry got my names mixed up!

But yes I can see Catherine and Elisabeth working together to try and get Henri tied to one of Liz's cousins, to ensure an alliance and perhaps isolate Philip somewhat.

As for Alencon I think he would stick with the Catholics, due to self interest.
 
Ah just remembered yes, Elizabeth as regent seems more likely with Catherine helping there sorry got my names mixed up!

But yes I can see Catherine and Elisabeth working together to try and get Henri tied to one of Liz's cousins, to ensure an alliance and perhaps isolate Philip somewhat.

As for Alencon I think he would stick with the Catholics, due to self interest.

Forgot that Philip at this point was pressing Isabella Clara Eugenia's claim to France.

Although there seems to be a lack of good relatives other than possibly Anna Caterina or Magherita.
 
Forgot that Philip at this point was pressing Isabella Clara Eugenia's claim to France.

Although there seems to be a lack of good relatives other than possibly Anna Caterina or Magherita.

Also true, though didn't he only do that when Henry III died?

And this is true
 
True, forgot that. Also, if Catherine wants to connect them back to her family there is still the daughters of the Grand Duke of Tuscany.
 
A long wait, but the dowry might help the Catholic side in the long run. Although I won't see a match earlier than 1581. And of the Duke of Alencon, maybe a eligible woman of good birth but nothing as prestigious. Likely an Italian lady at this point.
 
A long wait, but the dowry might help the Catholic side in the long run. Although I won't see a match earlier than 1581. And of the Duke of Alencon, maybe a eligible woman of good birth but nothing as prestigious. Likely an Italian lady at this point.

Agreed, daughter of a Duke of Modena or Mantua perhaps?
 
Probably, since it will help in the long term. But official regent is Elisabeth because of how she won't ursurp the throne from her son.
 
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