House of Bruce, a continued dynasty

Sounds reasonable. Of course, this would be an alt-Bannockburn which could have a different outcome. If the English are defeated I doubt very much Bob Snr is gonna necessarily want an English bride - Hell, he might see it as a sort of vindication and start looking to the continent/France for a bride. If the Scots lose, however, then the English can force Bob Jnr and Ms de Clare's marriage (and just BTW, the de Clares descended from an illegitimate half-brother (or somesuch) of William the Conqueror, so they were about as close to princes du sang of the early Plantagenets/house of Normandy, until King John's two boys, that one could get).
Hmm interesting in the event that Robert wins who might he use for his son?
 
@isabella and @mcdnab can correct me if I'm wrong, but the betrothal meant that both parties agreed to seek a dispensation from the papacy (or that the dispensation was already obtained, or would be no problem to obtain). Not to mention that Bob Jnr and Ms de Clare are both still in the single digits in 1304, so while a betrothal can be agreed (perhaps a dispensation even issued), neither is of age to consent to the marriage yet. And should push come to shove, whichever party could presumably always appeal to a friendly pope to have the marriage annulled on the grounds that neither party is of lawful age to consent to such an arrangement yet.

To be honest they just might not bother at all - prohibited degrees originally were four (parent to child being the 1st degree) raised to seven and then reduced back to four by the church largely to reduce the number of dispensations
Elizabeth and Robert are second cousins and would know it so in an ideal world they would need to apply for a dispensation (I would suspect the application would go to which Pope they acknowledged)
But as you said nothing prevents an early application on betrothal and as long as they don't renounce the match when they come of age it would be fine.#
Not everyone applied for one (which gave couple's a get out of jail free card - because they could apply for a decree of nullity based on affinity) and in some cases one was applied after the marriage had taken place.
 
@isabella and @mcdnab can correct me if I'm wrong, but the betrothal meant that both parties agreed to seek a dispensation from the papacy (or that the dispensation was already obtained, or would be no problem to obtain). Not to mention that Bob Jnr and Ms de Clare are both still in the single digits in 1304, so while a betrothal can be agreed (perhaps a dispensation even issued), neither is of age to consent to the marriage yet. And should push come to shove, whichever party could presumably always appeal to a friendly pope to have the marriage annulled on the grounds that neither party is of lawful age to consent to such an arrangement yet.
A bethrotal is a formal pledge to marry and usually that wedding will be celebrated as soon is possible (or in an already established date).
If a bethrotal contract is agreed a couple of years before the schism is highly probable who the despensation for the wedding will be already issued... Plus is possible having the wedding before bride and/or groom reached the right age (for either the wedding or the consummation) then solemnize the consummation with a Mass maybe with a repetition of the vows or a new celebration of the wedding if either bride or groom was underage at the time of the wedding (considering the earlier wedding like one by proxy)
 
A bethrotal is a formal pledge to marry and usually that wedding will be celebrated as soon is possible (or in an already established date).
If a bethrotal contract is agreed a couple of years before the schism is highly probable who the despensation for the wedding will be already issued... Plus is possible having the wedding before bride and/or groom reached the right age (for either the wedding or the consummation) then solemnize the consummation with a Mass maybe with a repetition of the vows or a new celebration of the wedding if either bride or groom was underage at the time of the wedding (considering the earlier wedding like one by proxy)
So you think a marriage between the two is still likely?
 
I think who the troubles with the despensation caused by the schism are irrelevant as is possible preventing it

Alright interesting, other than the de Clare sisters, I could see a look into France or maybe to Norway for a bride for Robert Junior
 
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