House of Beaufort Question

So got two questions here:

Firstly, what might the consequences be if Margaret Beaufort, mother of Henry VII had had a brother? Now, if she has a brother, likely named Henry for the King at the time, the boy would be Duke of Somerset, who would be given his wardenship should his father still off himself because of depression/failures in France? How does this influence the development of the War of the Roses, and the Beaufort-York rivalry, with Edmund Beaufort not holding the Duchy of Somerset? Who might this boy, let's call him Henry Beaufort, 2nd Duke of Somerset marry? What role might he play in government?

Secondly: What might change had Edmund Beaufort, 2nd/1st Duke of Somerset, not died at the battle of St Albans? If he had instead lived through that, through loveday etc? Would things have gotten worse for the Yorkists?
 
Her brother presumably would have got himself killed somewhere along the way, since his cousins that succeeded him managed to do that. I don't think it would have had that much of an impact, but you never know - the single individual COULD be the one to change things.
 
Hmm, true, though could he not play a moderating force? Also does invalidate Henry VII's already dubious claim
 
Hmm, true, though could he not play a moderating force? Also does invalidate Henry VII's already dubious claim

Isn't it possible that Henry VII doesn't exist in this scenario? I mean, the reason Marg was such a good match for Edmund Tudor IOTL was because she'd inherited her father's vast estates so, without the motivating factor of Marg's vast inheritance, it's possible the match doesn't happen/is delayed/Edmund isn't so desperately keen to impregnate his pre-teen wife and dies before consummation.

Isn't it likely Edmund Beaufort, in good standing with the court, will have an influence on his nephew's upbringing (and encourage him to take up the family feud with York?).

Edmund would probably also try and wrangle a title out of the King & Queen, not sure what's available though.

As for marriage prospects for this new Henry, it's very possible he dies before this comes up- his cousins Henry (3rd Duke) and Edmund (titular 4th Duke) never married IOTL, and they would be older than our Henry (who's presumably born in the early 1440s given his father didn't marry until after he returned from captivity in France in the late 1430s).
 
Ok so, I have an idea as to how this one might happen. If we assume that John Beaufort, 1st Duke of Somerset's death was a suicide, then we simply have to have him keep it together until after Margaret's death and then we would have a chance at a second child. Give him another year and we'll get our Margaret a little brother.

Scenario for our 2nd Duke of Somerset: Peer of the realm, the Duke of Somerset, Henry Beaufort, was the Duke from birth, due to his father's death in late 1445. His sister's underage marriage 1450 to John de la Pole after the children had been made wards of the Duke of Suffolk coincided with his own marriage to the Duke's own niece, Isabel de la Pole, daughter of either John or Thomas de la Pole. However, his sister's marriage was annulled in 1453 and his own child bride died in 1456, leaving both ripe for the marriage market. His sister was married in 1455 to the new Earl of Richmond, the King's half brother Edmund Tudor. However, he died before the marriage was consummated and, as per the marriage contract, she married his brother soon after.

Meanwhile, throughout the rest of the 1450s the Duke of Somerset was unbetrothed. He was supposed to have been linked to Margaret of York around 1458, the daughter of the Duke of York. However, the King also seems to have wanted a marriage between a Lady Tudor (either named Anne of Margaret) through out the 1450s, which never came to fruition. And so, during the Yorkist campaign in 1461, the Duke of Somerset was unattached. Frustrated with his treatment under the Lancastrian King (particularly since he was still treated as a young ward rather than a peer of the realm), he joined the Earl of Warwick and the Duke of York and in 1461 joined the army against Henry VI of England. The new King of England was married in 1463 to the King's cousin, the Lady Joan Neville. Their first child was born shortly in 1464, named Edward after the new King.

His sister would have three children with the Earl of Pembroke and, despite her husband's affiliations with the Lancastrian King (and his fleeing with the monarch shortly after they had lost the battle), would be able to retain her eldest son's title, having it granted to him in place of her husband in 1466, after her husband had been granted the title of traitor. Her brother would be granted the wardship of her children and in 1467 her eldest son was betrothed to Ursula Neville, the eldest daughter of her sister-in-law's cousin, Sir Henry Neville. The Duke of Somerset was even involved with the King's marriage to Elizabeth Woodville in 1464 and acted as a godfather to their third daughter, Cecily of York. He was a bright star in the English Court under Edward IV of England. His second son was named Richard after the King's father and brother and his third child was Elizabeth for the Queen.

However, in 1470, with the brief restoration of Henry VI of England, the Duke of Somerset showed his ability to change sides with his complete Lancastrian makeover. The Duke would enjoy a high status in the new court. Unfortunately, the Duke would soon realize the Earl of Warwick was loath to give up any power and at the Lancastrian fall from grace in 1471 the Duke was forced to prostrate himself at King Edward's feet, which helped him regain his position to a degree, although he would never hold the same influence again. He was, in actuality, saved by his sister, who entered the sanctuary of the Queen to beg for him, claiming his wife had poisoned his mind. The trick worked, particularly since the Lady Joan had been unpopular with the Queen while the Duke himself had been close with her. Thus, only after two very large fines, the Duke and his family returned to court.

The Duchess of Somerset would die in 1472 of an unknown disease, which may have been breast cancer, due to her ill-health since the birth of her daughter 6 years prior. Thus the Duke was free to remarry and in 1475 did so with the Queen's sister-in-law, Eleanor Grey. They would have only one child, a daughter, in 1477, named Cecily after the King's mother. Meanwhile, the Earl of Pembroke (at least titular, as his son had been granted his title and land) received news that his son had married the 13 year old Lady Ursula Neville at the age of 19. The Lady Margaret, still technically married to Jasper Tudor, had continually turned down offers of marriage throughout the 1470s and in 1480, during the Christmas court, had the King formally tell everyone that she had taken a vow of chastity and thus ending the insistent demands for her hand.

The King of England's death in 1483 left the Duke of Somerset in a precarious position and ended with him fleeing the country. The Duke of Gloucester's ursurption of the English Throne left all other claimants in a very tricky position and, with his strong Plantagenet blood, many looked to Henry Beaufort to reclaim the Throne for the Lancastrians, particularly since the Yorkists lost their Princes in the Tower of London. His elder son also fleed, along with his wife and youngest daughter. Unfortunately, the Duke would die in 1484 and leave his family stranded in France.

They would, however, rise in 1485 and take the English Throne from Richard III of England, who died in Battle against what would become Edward VI of England. The new King, aged 21, married the Yorkist Princess Elizabeth of York and would have 6 children with her, 4 of which survived. The King's sister, Cecily Beaufort, would marry in 1491. The King's younger brother would be granted their father's title of Duke of Somerset in 1487, and in 1488 he married the widowed Duchess of Buckingham, Catherine Woodville. His eldest sister, Elizabeth Beaufort, would never marry and in 1493 she would enter a nunnery. It seems the young woman was never healthy and her death in 1501, at the tender age if 25, seems to go with this fact.

John Beaufort, 1st Duke of Somerset (b.1403: d.1445) m. Margaret Beauchamp of Bletso (b.1410: d.1482) (a)

1a) Lady Margaret Beaufort (b.1444: d.1509) m. Edmund Tudor, 1st Earl of Richmond (b.1431: d.1456) (a), Jasper Tudor, 1st Earl of Pembroke (b.1429: d.1495) (b)

1a) Henry Tudor, 2nd Earl of Pembroke (b.1458: d.1511) m. Ursula Neville (b.1464) (a)

1a) John Tudor, 1st Duke of Pembroke (b.1485)

2a) Anne Tudor (b.1491)​

2a) Margaret Tudor (b.1460: d.1523) m. Thomas Grey, 1st Marquess of Dorset (b.1455: d.1501) (a)

1a) John Grey, 2nd Marquess of Dorset (b.1476)​

3a) William Tudor, 1st Earl of Richmond (b.1461: d.1486) m. Cecily Bonville, 7th Baroness Harington (b.1460: d.1529) (a)

1a) Catherine Tudor (b.1476: d.1477)

2a) Edmund Tudor, 2nd Duke of Richmond (b.1479)

3a) Edward Tudor (b.1481: d.1499)

4a) Eleanor Tudor (b.1483)​

2a) Henry Beaufort, 2nd Duke of Somerset (b.1446: d.1484) m. Isabel de la Pole (b.1448: d.1456) (a), Lady Joan Neville (c.1440: d.1472) (b), Eleanor Grey (c.1435/1440: d.1511) (c)

1b) Edward VI of England (b.1464: d.1521) m. Elizabeth of York (b.1466: d.1514) (a)

1a) Edward VII of England (b.1486: d.1541)

2a) Henry Beaufort, Duke of York (b.1488: d.1493)

3a) Princess Mary Beaufort (b.1491)

4a) Richard Beaufort, Duke of York (b.1495)

5a) Henry Beaufort, Duke of Richmond (b.1496: d.1497)

6a) Princess Eleanor Beaufort (b.1499)​

2b) Richard Beaufort, 3rd Duke of Somerset (b.1465: d.1519) m. Catherine Woodville (b.1458: d.1497) (a)

1a) Eleanor Beaufort (b.1491)​

3b) Elizabeth Beaufort (b.1466: d.1501)

4c) Cecily Beaufort (b.1477: d.1539) m. James IV of Scotland (b.1491: d.1512) (a)

1a) James Stewart, Duke of Rothesay (b.1493: d.1499)

2a) Alexander IV of Scotland (b.1494)

3a) Princess Mary Stewart (b.1497)

4a) Princess Eleanor Stewart (b.1499)​
 
Isn't it possible that Henry VII doesn't exist in this scenario? I mean, the reason Marg was such a good match for Edmund Tudor IOTL was because she'd inherited her father's vast estates so, without the motivating factor of Marg's vast inheritance, it's possible the match doesn't happen/is delayed/Edmund isn't so desperately keen to impregnate his pre-teen wife and dies before consummation.

Isn't it likely Edmund Beaufort, in good standing with the court, will have an influence on his nephew's upbringing (and encourage him to take up the family feud with York?).

Edmund would probably also try and wrangle a title out of the King & Queen, not sure what's available though.

As for marriage prospects for this new Henry, it's very possible he dies before this comes up- his cousins Henry (3rd Duke) and Edmund (titular 4th Duke) never married IOTL, and they would be older than our Henry (who's presumably born in the early 1440s given his father didn't marry until after he returned from captivity in France in the late 1430s).

From what I can remember, Edmund was Earl of Dorset, during the time his brother was Duke of Somerset.

Interesting tree there Kynan, what leads to Henry's death in 1484? Is it an illness, also, what leads to him fleeing, did he not get along with Gloucester?

Also, couple of times on the tree you've mentioned Henry Tudor as Duke of Pembroke, is that right, or?
 
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