House Habsburg

Charles pulling a Kingdom Title out of his ass might be a bit much, but what if he Revived a title? There was the Kingdom of Arles/Arelat, which ties to the Burgundy of old and when Rudolph III of Arles died without issue the Kingdom passed to then current Holy Roman Emperor Conrad III over the next two hundred year the Kingdom title popped in and of existence, Some Emperors skipped it, others took up the title or changed the name to King of Burgundy, the Back to being King of Arles. After Lothair III the Emperor's stopped bothering to use it.

Now Separating out the Burgundian Inheritance and placing it under an new/old Kingdom title, would piss off a lot of the princes, but it could be see as a way to separate the Netherlands from Spanish Control, at this Point in History Charles is the only one who could really do it without a war taking place.

As is the Netherlands had fallen into a gray area. They were part of the empire but they where ruled over by a (technical) vassal of France. when they slowly came under the rule of the Dukes of Burgundy. After Charles V the Netherlands would still be in that gray area of being ruled by a foreign power, this time Spain.

Now the person most likely to be pissed off is Charle's Son Phillip, he would want that dutch piggy bank all to himself. But if the Netherlands were ruled by their own local king, your more likely to see a conflict between the ruling heads of the family. something along the lines of "Why should I give you loans, that you will never payback, so you can go to war with the people I do business with?" Also a Habsburg King of the Netherlands might actually make the jump to Protestantism.

Which is kinda why the Dutch revolted against Spanish rule to begin with. Also it could cause the break up of the Empire once the Thirty Years war happened. You could even see an anti-Emperor elected in opposition to Ferdinand II and Ferdinand III. A Winter King that lasts longer than Frederick V did.

Except Charles IV named the King of France was the perpetual vicar of the Kingdom of Burgundy, so Charles V can't "revive" the title because it was de jure part of France.
 
Is it possible for the main line of House of Habsburg to continue so that Habsburg Lorraine does not come into the main territories?

Charles VI had a son (Leopold John) that only lived nearly seven months. Make this child live to adulthood and have male heirs and the House of Habsburg remains.
 
Charles VI had a son (Leopold John) that only lived nearly seven months. Make this child live to adulthood and have male heirs and the House of Habsburg remains.

Would Old Fritz attack anyways?

EDIT: Also, how the War of the Polish Succession goes if Lorraine is just one more prince in the HRE? France just annex it?
 
Except Charles IV named the King of France was the perpetual vicar of the Kingdom of Burgundy, so Charles V can't "revive" the title because it was de jure part of France.

No Burgundy remained a de jure part of the Holy Roman Empire, but the Imperial Vicar of Burgundy was also the king of France. The archbishop of Trier was archchancellor of Burgundy and the Emperor was still the monarch of the now mostly defunct kingdom of Burgundy. In theory the Emperor could bestow that Royal Crown, which in practice meant negotiations about the position of that kingdom in the Empire and which fiefs should make up this kingdom. So you might end up with a 'Saxony-scenario' for Burgundy; the late medieval duchy of Saxony and later electorate of Saxony, only included some of the eastern parts of the old Saxon Stem duchy.

Being an Imperial Vicar (in theory) administered parts of the Empire. The elector of Saxony and the Elector Palatine (later disputed with the elector of Bavaria) were Imperial Vicars, who administered the whole empire in the period between the death of the Emperor and the election of a new one. However if the Emperor managed to get his chosen heir elected as king of the Romans, that wasn't necessary.
 
Charles pulling a Kingdom Title out of his ass might be a bit much, but what if he Revived a title? There was the Kingdom of Arles/Arelat, which ties to the Burgundy of old and when Rudolph III of Arles died without issue the Kingdom passed to then current Holy Roman Emperor Conrad III over the next two hundred year the Kingdom title popped in and of existence, Some Emperors skipped it, others took up the title or changed the name to King of Burgundy, the Back to being King of Arles. After Lothair III the Emperor's stopped bothering to use it.

Now Separating out the Burgundian Inheritance and placing it under an new/old Kingdom title, would piss off a lot of the princes, but it could be see as a way to separate the Netherlands from Spanish Control, at this Point in History Charles is the only one who could really do it without a war taking place.

As is the Netherlands had fallen into a gray area. They were part of the empire but they where ruled over by a (technical) vassal of France. when they slowly came under the rule of the Dukes of Burgundy. After Charles V the Netherlands would still be in that gray area of being ruled by a foreign power, this time Spain.

Now the person most likely to be pissed off is Charle's Son Phillip, he would want that dutch piggy bank all to himself. But if the Netherlands were ruled by their own local king, your more likely to see a conflict between the ruling heads of the family. something along the lines of "Why should I give you loans, that you will never payback, so you can go to war with the people I do business with?" Also a Habsburg King of the Netherlands might actually make the jump to Protestantism.

Which is kinda why the Dutch revolted against Spanish rule to begin with. Also it could cause the break up of the Empire once the Thirty Years war happened. You could even see an anti-Emperor elected in opposition to Ferdinand II and Ferdinand III. A Winter King that lasts longer than Frederick V did.

That would be very interesting, a Protestant Habsburg, he'd likely have to be the black sheep of the family to do something like that
 
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