Hoover makes way for FDR in November, 1932

As we have discussed here a few times, President Wilson in November 1916 contemplated--in the event of what seemed a likely Hughes victory--appointing Hughes as Secretary of State, then resigning and persuading Vice President Marshall also to resign, thereby making Hughes President immediately instead of having to wait until March. Wilson conceded that this might not be necessary in ordinary times; but the emergency created by the World War had made it essential to avoid any prolonged "lame duck" rule. ("What would it be my duty to do were Mr. Hughes to be elected? Four months would elapse before he would take charge of the affairs of the government, and during those four months I would be without such moral backing from the nation as would be necessary to steady and control our relations with other governments. I would be known to be the rejected, not the accredited spokesman of the country, and yet the accredited spokesman would be without legal authority to speak for the nation. Such a situation would be fraught with the gravest dangers. The direction of the foreign policy of the government would in effect have been out of my hands and yet its new definition would be impossible until March....All my life long I have advocated some such responsible government for the United States as other constitutional systems afford as of course, and as such action on my part would inaugurate, at least by example. Responsible government means government by those whom the people trust, and trust at the time of decision and action. The whole country has long perceived, without knowing how to remedy, the extreme disadvantage of having to live for four months after an election under a party whose guidance had been rejected at the polls. Here is the remedy, at any rate so far as the Executive is concerned. In ordinary times it would perhaps not be necessary to apply it. But it seems to me that in the existing circumstances it would be imperatively necessary." https://books.google.com/books?id=Pk_WCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA155)

Question: What if Herbert Hoover (with the agreement of Vice President Charles Curtis--and of course FDR) attempted the same thing in November 1932, avoiding the awful OTL interregnum of the winter of 1932-3? (The idea was mentioned in some newspapers the day after the election, but Hoover seems never to have seriously considered it.) One could argue that the US was in a much worse state of emergency in 1932-33 than it was in 1916-17: the already depressed economy was spiraling further downward, and by the end of the Hoover administration, bank after bank was closing. (Things were not all that quiet on the world scene during these months, either: Japan walked out of the League of Nations Assembly, and was invading Jehol; and in Germany, Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor...)

Hoover argued that the Depression had hit bottom and was stabilizing until the election of FDR created new uncertainties. On February 17, he wrote FDR that there was now a "state of alarm which is rapidly approaching the dimensions of a crisis." To restore confidence, the public needed certain assurances that only FDR could give: "It would steady the country greatly if there could be prompt assurance that there will be no tampering or inflation of the currency; that the budget will be unquestionably balanced, even if further taxation is necessary; that the government credit will be maintained by refusal to exhaust it in the issue of securities." Not surprisingly, FDR was willing neither to accept the idea that he was to blame for worsening the Depression nor to allow Hoover to limit FDR's policy options so drastically. Indeed, a few days later, Hoover acknowledged in a letter to Pennsylvania's Republican Senator David A. Reed:

"I realize that if these declarations be made by the President-elect, he will have ratified the whole major program of the Republican Administration; that is, it means the abandonment of 90% of the so-called new deal. But unless this is done, they run a grave danger of precipitating a complete financial debacle. If it is precipitated, the responsibility lies squarely with them for they have had ample warning--unless, of course, such a debacle is part of the 'new deal.'"

The problem was not so much that FDR rejected Hoover's proposal--if issuing statements designed to "restore confidence" could cure depressions, Hoover would have conquered the Great Depression years earlier--as that he seemed to have no concrete proposals of his own for dealing with the banking crisis at that time; and even if he did, he would not yet be in a position to implement them. Meanwhile, Hoover, obsessed with his own political weakness, was unwilling to do anything about the crisis unless he was sure that Congress and the new administration would not repudiate it. (Hoover considered a national bank holiday proclamation unnecessary and possibly illegal, but was willing to issue a proclamation limiting bank withdrawals, foreign exchange, and gold transactions if FDR would agree to support it. Accounts differ as to whether FDR told Hoover he was sympathetic to Hoover's doing this, but it does seem clear that he was unwilling to back it formally.) Maybe in November, Hoover could not forsee how bad the situation would be by March, but he should at least have been able to see that it was already bad enough to make prolonged lame-duck rule a very bad thing indeed, and something which should be avoided even by unorthodox means, as Wilson was ready to do in 1916.

A difficulty here: "Roosevelt was in no position to accept the Presidency immediately even if Hoover had offered it. His position as governor of New York ran through December 31, and he had made no arrangements for early resignation." Laurin L. Henry, *Presidential Transitions* (Washington DC: Brookings Institution 1960), p. 275. (Incidentally, all of my quotes in this post, unless otherwise indicated, are from that book.) But I don't see why Lieutenant Governor Herbert Lehman (who had just won a landslide victory in the Governor's race) couldn't assume the Governorship a few weeks early. And anyway, even for FDR to become President on January 1, 1933 would cut the interregnum substantially.

One objection I have seen to this is that if FDR took office early, he would have to deal with a Congress with many "lame duck" Republicans; indeed, the Senate was still nominally under Republican control. But actually he should not have had too much of a problem even with the old Congress: "Even counting its 158 lame ducks, the old Congress was oriented more to Roosevelt's leadership than to Hoover's. The House, presided over by Speaker and Vice President-elect John N. Garner, already had 219 Democrats to 209 Republicans (6 vacancies, 1 Farmer-Labor) as a result of the 1930 elections. The Senate was still organized by the Republicans, with 48 members to the Demcorats' 47 (1 Farmer-Labor). However, both Houses contained many Western, progressive, and usually isolationist Republicans who had split with Hoover and supported Roosevelt in November." Laurin L. Henry, *Presidential Transitions* (Washington DC: Brookings Institution 1960), pp. 311-12. In fact, four Republican Senators actually campaigned for FDR in 1932: "Young Bob" La Follette of Wisconsin, Hiram Johnson of California, Bronson Cutting of New Mexico, and George Norris of Nebraska. Others like Gerald Nye of North Dakota remained neutral. (Even William Borah of Idaho, who despite his progressive reputation usually ended up backing the Republican presidential candidate, refused to endorse Hoover.) So talking about a "GOP controlled Senate," while not technically inaccurate, is somewhat misleading.

Yes, it seems unlikely Hoover would do this, especially given his low opinion of FDR. But it's just conceivable he *might* think that even if FDR's policies were bad ones, even bad policies would be better for the nation than months of paralysis. Wilson, after all, didn't have a very high opinion of Hughes, either, yet was willing to make way for him in November 1916...
 
Hoover blamed FDR for the late Feb./early March 1933 bank crisis, that FDR wouldn't guarantee soundness or something like that.
 
I mean, the main stumbling block here seems to be that Hoover was absolutely convinced that FDR's proposed policies were all wrong, and so he concluded that no matter how bad the present situation was, it didn't matter, since FDR would simply make them worse. You'd need to shake his technocratic certainty for him to consider changing his position. And if literally the Great Depression wasn't enough to do that, then what the hell could?
 
Not only would the Vice-President have to agree to resign, but the Speaker of the House, and the (?) president of the Senate (?) as well.

Or, maybe the rules of succession were different back then.
 
Not only would the Vice-President have to agree to resign, but the Speaker of the House, and the (?) president of the Senate (?) as well.

Or, maybe the rules of succession were different back then.

Speaker and President Pro Tempore weren't in the line of succession back then. It was straight to Cabinet after VP.
 
There is zero chance of this happening. There was a World War happening when Wilson considered it, there was none in 1932. Hoover, if effect, would be saying FDR would make a better president than he was. Why run for office in the first place then? Drop out of the race and have someone else run against FDR.
 
There is zero chance of this happening. There was a World War happening when Wilson considered it, there was none in 1932. Hoover, if effect, would be saying FDR would make a better president than he was. Why run for office in the first place then? Drop out of the race and have someone else run against FDR.

Well, the idea was that being the loser in said election made Hoover unworthy of his office any longer. The problem being that he was much less concerned with that and more with his own conception of what needed to be done (TM).
 
Well, the idea was that being the loser in said election made Hoover unworthy of his office any longer. The problem being that he was much less concerned with that and more with his own conception of what needed to be done (TM).

If that were the case every president would resign if they lost re-election as that same argument goes for every one that lost .
 
If that were the case every president would resign if they lost re-election as that same argument goes for every one that lost .

Well, ones who lost during a crisis. That'd be 1860, 1932, and maybe 1980 and 2008, really. And not even the last two since the lame duck session is a lot shorter now. And I'd add that we'd have been much, much better off if it had worked that way in 1860, at least.
 
Well, ones who lost during a crisis. That'd be 1860, 1932, and maybe 1980 and 2008, really. And not even the last two since the lame duck session is a lot shorter now. And I'd add that we'd have been much, much better off if it had worked that way in 1860, at least.

What is or is not a crisis is a matter of opinion, in any case it wasn't going to happen. The biggest thing Hoover thought he did wrong is lose to FDR.
 
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