Holy Roman Empire...is bigger?

Before 1200, it still might've worked. If Germany centralized early and France didn't... they could indeed expand and take over, let's say, France, Italy, Poland and Hungary, and continental Denmark at least.
 
Do you mean the entire peninsula, or just securing their position in the northern part (which is part of the HRE even if reluctant to acknowledge it)?
 
Wow, you guys are really serious about this Byzantine thing...
I'd like you to remember, I called one person a fanboy, because he was so rigorously opposed to the Byzantine thing. The fall of the Byzantines may not be inevitable, but really, why are you guys so angry about it? I called somebody a fanboy. Then I have been sworn at, insulted various times, accused of trolling... I'm not trying to goad you. All these posts where meant to make peace and stop you from frankly insulting my timeline (if it could be called that... needs some more work). Get it through your head: I'm not the one trying to start a fight here. If there's a fight going on, its ridiculous.
Insulting AltHistory Wiki doesn't help you. It is not all map games; the map games are completely implausible. I think I do know something about history. I came to this sight for a more serious and plausible discussion, but frankly, you haven't impressed me so far.
If I'm a troll, the person who comes here, insults me, interprets peace attempts as inflamatory comments, what are they?
 
I think the northern peninsula. The bottom half of France was a bunch of independent states for a while after. I'm not quite sure when it split off, so I'll research it.
I'm also thinking about the Hanseatic League... they might play into this well.
 
Wow, you guys are really serious about this Byzantine thing...

Serious about the history thing. Cavalierly dismissing the Byzantines is not going to come off as learned, except maybe in Gibbon's day.

I'd like you to remember, I called one person a fanboy, because he was so rigorously opposed to the Byzantine thing. The fall of the Byzantines may not be inevitable, but really, why are you guys so angry about it? I called somebody a fanboy. Then I have been sworn at, insulted various times, accused of trolling... I'm not trying to goad you.

Which is not how your posts are coming off. The problem (speaking for myself, and possibly BG) is also that you come off as having virtually no understanding of the Byzantine Empire.

I don't think either of us are angry as much as annoyed. Can't and won't speak for Mr.X8, who seems to have taken your fanboy comment as an insult - and who seems to be more passionate on this (this thread at least) to begin with, so I'm sure he has a point.

All these posts where meant to make peace and stop you from frankly insulting my timeline (if it could be called that... needs some more work). Get it through your head: I'm not the one trying to start a fight here. If there's a fight going on, its ridiculous.

This is your idea of attempting to make peace?

Insulting AltHistory Wiki doesn't help you. It is not all map games; the map games are completely implausible. I think I do know something about history. I came to this sight for a more serious and plausible discussion, but frankly, you haven't impressed me so far.

Starting a search for a more plausible discussion by referring to the Byzantines as inevitably doomed with a point of departure before 1204 is probably not going to come off well.

If I'm a troll, the person who comes here, insults me, interprets peace attempts as inflamatory comments, what are they?

I would really advise you to take a careful look at how your own posts look to someone who is on the receiving end.
 
Theres pretty much no way I can stop making you people angry, isn't there?
I don't actually think those posts where inflamatory... maybe I'm wrong. Well, actually almost certainly I'm wrong, because if they weren't inflamatory, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
If I can't work on this timeline without causing a fight here, I'll do it somewhere else. Actually, there isn't really a reason for having this thread any more. I was just trying to find a POD. The odd thing was, nobody even answered that question. I got my POD from somebody else, not that another one wouldn't have worked...
I did come off as a bit of a dick (read lot of a dick) here. I'm sorry. I'm probably not coming back here for a while.
but p.s., it takes two to tango.
 
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