Holy Roman Empire invades Britain

Well, in 800 there is no HRE, only a Frankish kingdom. The HRE kicks off with Otto the Great in 962.

Then it is relatively hard to imagine what the legal status of such an invasion should. Imperial wars were quite constrained in resources and goals - in contrast to wars by single dukes.

So what exactly do you have in mind?
 
Well, in 800 there is no HRE, only a Frankish kingdom. The HRE kicks off with Otto the Great in 962.

No, the HRE was founded by Charlemagne. What you're thinking of is the more long-lived revival of the title after a vacancy.

In any case, the title proposal is not very likely. The Franks had enough trouble keeping their continental empire in one (er, three or four) pieces before it imploded anyway. Conquering the British Isles would just be completely out of their reach.
 
No, the HRE was founded by Charlemagne. What you're thinking of is the more long-lived revival of the title after a vacancy
No, Charlemagne has nothing to do with the HRE, although he did hold the title of "Roman Emperor". The HRE was founded by Otto I. in 962.
This is a historical misconception which is strangely widespread.
 

Susano

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No, Charlemagne has nothing to do with the HRE, although he did hold the title of "Roman Emperor". The HRE was founded by Otto I. in 962.
This is a historical misconception which is strangely widespread.

Well, technically, Otto was only crowned Roman Emperor, too. The Holy part only began to appear under Barbarossa. Still, its of course simply easier to refer to all the thing as HRE starting with Otto, especially to keep it seperate from the real Roman Empire. However, between Otto and Charles there was of course a definitive interruption, so he doesnt count.

Still, I guess better to include him in the HREmperor list then to have declare him to be French, which is more wrong!
 
Well, technically, Otto was only crowned Roman Emperor, too. The Holy part only began to appear under Barbarossa. Still, its of course simply easier to refer to all the thing as HRE starting with Otto, especially to keep it seperate from the real Roman Empire. However, between Otto and Charles there was of course a definitive interruption, so he doesnt count.

Still, I guess better to include him in the HREmperor list then to have declare him to be French, which is more wrong!

French? Charlemagne was a Frank.;)
 
The question posed mentions a POD in 800. That doesn't imply a near-immediate invasion or am I missing something? Surely the POD effect could ripple or trickle over a number of centuries? Maybe the HRE would become a more unified entity? Maybe there would be no 'Spanish Armada' in 1588 but an invasion by the HRE and its allies?
 
The question posed mentions a POD in 800. That doesn't imply a near-immediate invasion or am I missing something? Surely the POD effect could ripple or trickle over a number of centuries? Maybe the HRE would become a more unified entity? Maybe there would be no 'Spanish Armada' in 1588 but an invasion by the HRE and its allies?

Sure, but then you can argue for almost anything.
Asking a one-line question about an ATL stretching over 800 years I'd call highly underdefined ...
 

Susano

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The question posed mentions a POD in 800. That doesn't imply a near-immediate invasion or am I missing something? Surely the POD effect could ripple or trickle over a number of centuries? Maybe the HRE would become a more unified entity? Maybe there would be no 'Spanish Armada' in 1588 but an invasion by the HRE and its allies?

The problem is there was no HRE as its understood in history in 800.
 
The problem is there was no HRE as its understood in history in 800.
Why does there have to be at the POD? Something happens 800 which leads to a the creation of a different HRE, one which is stronger centuries later. I find it strange that there should always be a marked, noticeable difference in the timelines fairly shortly (historical terms) following a POD.
 

ninebucks

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800: Something happens.

Early 1100s: As a result of something happening, the marriage of Matilda of England and Holy Roman Emperor Henry V bears several healthy male children. Butterflies also make Henry more long lived.

1135: Henry I of England dies. Matilda, as his sole living heir, sails to England to take the throne with an accompaniment of Imperial knights. As OTL, Stephen of Blois contests this and tries to seize control. However, in TTL, Matilda has the full support of the Holy Roman Empire, and a stable line of succession behind her, making the barons less likely to support Stephen.

Stephen, however, does attempt a coup, and briefly manages to seize control of the kingdom.

1136: Henry V invades England with a view to reinstalling his wife as Queen of England. Despite the domestic difficulties of raising and army, a degree of support within England itself makes the invasion more successful.

1144: Matilda dies, and the throne passes to her son Henry. Henry becomes Henry II of England, and (after the death of his father) Henry VI of the Holy Roman Empire. The dynastic personal union between the two realms lasts for many years.
 
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