Holy Roman Emperor Henry V survives and has two sons

So, here's something I've started pondering, Holy Roman Emperor Henry V died in 1125, leaving behind his wife the infamous Empress Maud. However, one of the things I'm curious about is this, what would circumstances be if say the white ship disaster still happens, but Henry V and Maud have sons. Two sons to be precise.

One, named Henry born in say 1120, and another named perhaps something like William born in 1125.

Would Henry I of England name one of his grandsons his heir? WOuld such a move be accepted by the Norman barons and would it avoid the anarchy? And all that brought.

What would a surviving Henry V do to the Holy Roman Empire?
 
Another thing I have to wonder, is should one of Maud and Henry V's sons ascend the English throne, what would their house come to be known as?
 
here's a good TL on Henry V having at least one son. https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/her-princes-are-come-home-again.421493/. Personally I think they would have been able to unify Germany into a more cohesive nation-state earlier, possibly with more of the HRE, baring the netherlands and low countries of course. Maybe something like the Capetian Miracle could take place, as was poised to happen with the Luxembourgers, and what more or less happened with the Habsburges.
 
Another thing I have to wonder, is should one of Maud and Henry V's sons ascend the English throne, what would their house come to be known as?
You mean like an epithet? I think rarely does a king garner something so unique about his reign that he gets called "The Lionheart". Unless there's something dynamic about his character, maybe "The unlikely" or what I'm guessing "The German."
 
You mean like an epithet? I think rarely does a king garner something so unique about his reign that he gets called "The Lionheart". Unless there's something dynamic about his character, maybe "The unlikely" or what I'm guessing "The German."
Ah, was more meaning the house name. Like House of Plantagenet that sort of thing.
 
here's a good TL on Henry V having at least one son. https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/her-princes-are-come-home-again.421493/. Personally I think they would have been able to unify Germany into a more cohesive nation-state earlier, possibly with more of the HRE, baring the netherlands and low countries of course. Maybe something like the Capetian Miracle could take place, as was poised to happen with the Luxembourgers, and what more or less happened with the Habsburges.

ALso intriguing, so how much longer could one expect Henry V to live for considering he was born in 1086
 
Ah, was more meaning the house name. Like House of Plantagenet that sort of thing.
You don't think "Salian" would stick? It might become "Worms" that would make for funny future jokes at the expense at the king. Henry of Worms, the Earth King, first of England Worm Kings. Eventually Angle+Worm= Angwurm??? Otherwise if he may be unlucky unless he can gain a catchy unique nickname like Hugh Robertian otherwise known as Hugh Capet did.
 
ALso intriguing, so how much longer could one expect Henry V to live for considering he was born in 1086
assuming he doesn't get himself killed, and is decently healthy.....10 if he doesn't wallow in shit, 20 if he doesn't eat like Henry VIII of England.
 
You don't think "Salian" would stick? It might become "Worms" that would make for funny future jokes at the expense at the king. Henry of Worms, the Earth King, first of England Worm Kings. Eventually Angle+Worm= Angwurm??? Otherwise if he may be unlucky unless he can gain a catchy unique nickname like Hugh Robertian otherwise known as Hugh Capet did.

Lol King of Worms, brillaint :p Would it be the first or second son put forward for the English throne

QUOTE="The Merovingian, post: 15586581, member: 101298"]assuming he doesn't get himself killed, and is decently healthy.....10 if he doesn't wallow in shit, 20 if he doesn't eat like Henry VIII of England.[/QUOTE]

Ahaha this is true, more healthy, the better chance of his dynasty continuing.
 
Lol King of Worms, brillaint :p Would it be the first or second son put forward for the English throne

QUOTE="The Merovingian, post: 15586581, member: 101298"]assuming he doesn't get himself killed, and is decently healthy.....10 if he doesn't wallow in shit, 20 if he doesn't eat like Henry VIII of England.

Ahaha this is true, more healthy, the better chance of his dynasty continuing.[/QUOTE] Who would be put forth? Well it really depends on if Henry V was still alive or how ambitious you wanna make Henry VI. It also depends on how you wanna play this out. If Maud actually has the nominal title or claim to it, It would be up to her, and if she were smart she would realize the folly of trying to rule half a rock from the middle of Franconia and give the claim to her Second son.

The title of HRE and work that would need to go into retaining it and any semblance of imperial authority in Germany would turn England into a wild card (in my opinion). The Lord's of England would want a ruler closer to home, so second obviously, if it were left for them to choose between the two.

The godly senario would be for Henry VI to already be an established Emperor and be able to softly push his claim. This way he could then add England to the HRE allowing him to hold sway over an engine of mercenary's, and if thing go like OTL, naval power. I only say this is possible because Richard the Lionheart treated England this way and only spoke french.

The plantagenets were already established by then, so this relationship would have to be grown into. Maybe future heirs could be raised a number of years back and forth between Germany and England?

So depending on the circumstances either or. Second son has the best chance if Henry VI isn't emperor, and it depends on Henry's mindset if he is.;)

England would lend enormous political clout to Henry though, reclaiming an old Roman province and all. Im not sure Henry VI would be allowed into the election if he was already King of England. Were the Salians electors? I know the pope helped them secure their position originally.

Ultimately it's up to how you wanna play it all out. Hope my humble opinions help.;);)
 
Ahaha this is true, more healthy, the better chance of his dynasty continuing.
Who would be put forth? Well it really depends on if Henry V was still alive or how ambitious you wanna make Henry VI. It also depends on how you wanna play this out. If Maud actually has the nominal title or claim to it, It would be up to her, and if she were smart she would realize the folly of trying to rule half a rock from the middle of Franconia and give the claim to her Second son.

The title of HRE and work that would need to go into retaining it and any semblance of imperial authority in Germany would turn England into a wild card (in my opinion). The Lord's of England would want a ruler closer to home, so second obviously, if it were left for them to choose between the two.

The godly senario would be for Henry VI to already be an established Emperor and be able to softly push his claim. This way he could then add England to the HRE allowing him to hold sway over an engine of mercenary's, and if thing go like OTL, naval power. I only say this is possible because Richard the Lionheart treated England this way and only spoke french.

The plantagenets were already established by then, so this relationship would have to be grown into. Maybe future heirs could be raised a number of years back and forth between Germany and England?

So depending on the circumstances either or. Second son has the best chance if Henry VI isn't emperor, and it depends on Henry's mindset if he is.;)

England would lend enormous political clout to Henry though, reclaiming an old Roman province and all. Im not sure Henry VI would be allowed into the election if he was already King of England. Were the Salians electors? I know the pope helped them secure their position originally.

Ultimately it's up to how you wanna play it all out. Hope my humble opinions help.;);)[/QUOTE]

A great help, thanks : ) I am leaning toward a second son, due to the more practical nature of things, though maybe not wi thout the war happening first, knowing Matilda and all.
 
Maud married Emperor Henry V in 1114, aged 12, so between this date and 1125, there were no children why not have a son born in late 1125, this means he'll be 10 years old in 1 December 1135 (date of Henry I death)

If an earlier P.o.D could cause the cancer to stop or slow down allowing a second son is possible after 1125.
 
Maud married Emperor Henry V in 1114, aged 12, so between this date and 1125, there were no children why not have a son born in late 1125, this means he'll be 10 years old in 1 December 1135 (date of Henry I death)

If an earlier P.o.D could cause the cancer to stop or slow down allowing a second son is possible after 1125.
That's works for me. Was the reason there were no children otl due to Henry always being on the move?
 
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