Holy...... Praise be to Christ Egypt holds fast

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in Otl the byzantines lost Egypt mainly due to the treachery of Cyrus. In OTL Cyrus agreed to surrender but the Byzantines did not like it, so they got rid of him as governor of Egypt, So when the Arabs invaded Egypt the Romans had little support. So in this tl at the Roman for of Pelusium the brilliant general Artenius poisons Cyrus thus leading to his death and a puppet becoming Coptic Priest, so ARtenius sets up defenses and prepares his army and holds Pelusium against Amr and his invasion force of 4000 troops. Heheheh.... Tel mee what you think.



In late december 639 Artenius and Cyrus met at the Byzantine fortress town of
Perelusium, for some time Cyrus had been advocating a strong surrender option. Artenius was to execute Cyrus. At the headquarters the two were having dinner, Artenius smiled soon he would be the governor of Roman Egypt. Soon Drinks were placed and the two toasted. Suddenly Cyrus started coughing, " I have been poisoned, Artenius you dammed fool."
"Ah good priest i pity you but you overstepped your bounds."
" who will be governor of Egypt"
" I will be, oh and about your heretical church a good puppet will become it's leader, a pity Cyrus."
"Damm you Artenius you will burn in he'll" with a shriek the priest fell dead. That night he was carried out and buried. Artenius was no fool he knew that unless the whole populace took up arms they would be destroyed, also with Cyrus dead someone needed to take the blame and he knew just the man. The next day the bells were ringing and people gathered at the town forum. An Arabian man was tied up screaming " praise be too Allah I am HHS a messenger not a killer, mercy." the people then saw a sight which horrified them their good ruler Cyrus lay on the floor dead. What happened? " suddenly a strange general overviewed the crowd" people of Pelusium this vile heathen poisoned our good priest." the people grew angry and wept. You
must realize that these Arabs mean no good. This thing you see before you is a vile cannibal. He is wretched to the core!"
"plz listen to me I commit no harm and the poor messenger cried. However the people jeered at him for killing their head. " We will burn him at the stake. Soon the torcher lit his torch and burned the poor man alive who screamed, but the townspeople revelled. Artenius grinned now he had to institute his plans he hoped he had enough time. He shouted to the people " Listen to me fellow Christian as of now a vile army of Arabs will attack the city. We need your help, every able bodied man, woman and child will be given weapons and training to defend the city. These Arabs are not human, suddenly he held up a portrait an Arab was laughing as he cooked a Christian baby, the Heathens eat babies and roast Christian alive they are greedy misers, who slaughter all in their path, mark my words if this city falls then you all will be enslaved, killed, beatean, eatean, and raped." the people wept and scremed as panic ensued. However their is an alternative join the army and we can win. Many people cheered they would give up their lives in battle then suffer the horrible death that was coming. Artenius ordered a moat to be constructed around the city, a bout 2000 men woman and children dug around the city and due to the massive number if people a moat was finished within a week, another week it was filled with water and filled with crocodiles, Nile snakes, poisonous eels, various deadly creatures were dumped into the moat. Young camels were brought who soon led the people to water, most of These wells were houses but Artenius ordered the houses taken down and the materials used for building extra defenses, soon many wells popped up around the city, at the various manors the. Nobles were stripped off their homes which soon turned into farms, many nobles resented their plight but could do little for those e
who protested were condemned as heathean helpers and killed. Thus the whole city became one big fortress complete with wells, farms and a massive moat outside. Artenius used the stone from the rubble to fashion
weapons and shields which were then doled out to the populace and nearly all 10000
inhabitants of the city were drilled in military maneuvors and etc by the garrison. Within a month by January the city was a huge fortress armed to the teeth and self sustainable. Artenius now awaited the oncoming arabs. Amr had jus recently convinced the calph about invasion and soon confident his 4000 man army rode out to egypt and take the first city on thei path Pelesium. They did not realize how outnumbered they were. Many consider Artenius to be a genius but others hold mixed feelings, he was a brilliant manipulator who used propaganda to it's fullest extent, now his atrocities are Many but many Romans agree that without him Egypt would have fallen. After the Rashiduns were defeated this hypocrite as many call him welcomed Amr and gave him food, women and gifts, praising his brilliance, Amr left never having been shown such goodwill he soon left and decided to leave Egypt alone. Artenius was a cunning manipulator who soon rose up to become the advisor to heraclius and gained a lot of power. Artenius was known throughout as having truly deserved the title Artenius I the great Extarch of Egypt

Anyway guys next update is on the actual battle, but what do you think is it ASb or viable.:)
 

archaeogeek

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Your introduction just gave the Egyptians more ammo for the fire; it was not "just" Cyrus, it was the coptic church that was the problem and the byzantines would lose Egypt the moment they tried to uproot it again, which they will. Great Man theory only can do so much and in this case is an extremely weak explanation.
 
Your introduction just gave the Egyptians more ammo for the fire; it was not "just" Cyrus, it was the coptic church that was the problem and the byzantines would lose Egypt the moment they tried to uproot it again, which they will. Great Man theory only can do so much and in this case is an extremely weak explanation.


Not quite you see what I did was that the death of Cyrus was based on an Arab. Meaning the Arabs were responsible and due to the vile lies about them many feared them.:)
 
Not quite you see what I did was that the death of Cyrus was based on an Arab. Meaning the Arabs were responsible and due to the vile lies about them many feared them.:)
So what?

The government in Constantinople was suppressing the local church, deeming it heresy, and everyone knew it. So a single arab hates the coptic church? The ENTIRE GOVERNMENT hates it, which rather trumps one man.

Especially since the 'Arab murderer' thing was staged, and the truth will almost certainly come out eventually.
 
So what?

The government in Constantinople was suppressing the local church, deeming it heresy, and everyone knew it. So a single arab hates the coptic church? The ENTIRE GOVERNMENT hates it, which rather trumps one man.

Especially since the 'Arab murderer' thing was staged, and the truth will almost certainly come out eventually.


So!!! Artenius said that or will later on blame the Arabs saying although we hate the Copts the arabs hate them even more and he spreads propaganda, The truth won't come out for centuries think of it like when the Huns invaded Rome they were considered inhuman and barbarian the Byzantines use this same tactic.
 

archaeogeek

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So!!! Artenius said that or will later on blame the Arabs saying although we hate the Copts the arabs hate them even more and he spreads propaganda, The truth won't come out for centuries think of it like when the Huns invaded Rome they were considered inhuman and barbarian the Byzantines use this same tactic.

The truth, knowing the byzzies, will probably come out in a few years. And since they're still repressing the copts, it will also a) crop up in conspiracy theories and b) not stop the egyptian restlessness. Egypt will declare independence within the decade.
 
The truth, knowing the byzzies, will probably come out in a few years. And since they're still repressing the copts, it will also a) crop up in conspiracy theories and b) not stop the egyptian restlessness. Egypt will declare independence within the decade.
I know but in this tl what happens is after the Rashiduns are beatean, The byzzies propaganda lasts for about maybe another 2 centuries, so during this time with the mapower taken from EGypt and Africa the Byzantine crush the Rashiduns, I plan for a civil war beetween Amr and his brother whoch tears the calpite apart leading to the Byzzies succesfully retaking the levant and also making incursions into Arabia, then Egypt will eclare independance so the ROmans invade with their full might see a massive war where the Romans win and burn out the copts thus depopulating egypt. Afterwords the byzzies start to repopulate it with Byzantine orthodox. Wallah ROman egypt.
 
I know but in this tl what happens is after the Rashiduns are beatean, The byzzies propaganda lasts for about maybe another 2 centuries, so during this time with the mapower taken from EGypt and Africa the Byzantine crush the Rashiduns, I plan for a civil war beetween Amr and his brother whoch tears the calpite apart leading to the Byzzies succesfully retaking the levant and also making incursions into Arabia, then Egypt will eclare independance so the ROmans invade with their full might see a massive war where the Romans win and burn out the copts thus depopulating egypt. Afterwords the byzzies start to repopulate it with Byzantine orthodox. Wallah ROman egypt.

What is this....I don't even? Why would the Eastern Romans destroy the population of their richest province?
 

archaeogeek

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I know but in this tl what happens is after the Rashiduns are beatean, The byzzies propaganda lasts for about maybe another 2 centuries, so during this time with the mapower taken from EGypt and Africa the Byzantine crush the Rashiduns, I plan for a civil war beetween Amr and his brother whoch tears the calpite apart leading to the Byzzies succesfully retaking the levant and also making incursions into Arabia, then Egypt will eclare independance so the ROmans invade with their full might see a massive war where the Romans win and burn out the copts thus depopulating egypt. Afterwords the byzzies start to repopulate it with Byzantine orthodox. Wallah ROman egypt.

Repopulate with what people? They barely had enough people to keep their core provinces to the north populated, how the fuck would they manage if they go around committing genocides of their own provinces on top.
Egypt gets the fuck out in 5 years.
 
I know but in this tl what happens is after the Rashiduns are beatean, The byzzies propaganda lasts for about maybe another 2 centuries, so during this time with the mapower taken from EGypt and Africa the Byzantine crush the Rashiduns, I plan for a civil war beetween Amr and his brother whoch tears the calpite apart leading to the Byzzies succesfully retaking the levant and also making incursions into Arabia, then Egypt will eclare independance so the ROmans invade with their full might see a massive war where the Romans win and burn out the copts thus depopulating egypt. Afterwords the byzzies start to repopulate it with Byzantine orthodox. Wallah ROman egypt.
Not a single thing in this entire post makes sense.

Also, you really can't say "I know I'm wrong and my proposals are completely unrealistic and conflict with establish history and common sense, but I'm not going to change anything" and expect to be taken seriously.
 
I know but in this tl what happens is after the Rashiduns are beatean, The byzzies propaganda lasts for about maybe another 2 centuries, so during this time with the mapower taken from EGypt and Africa the Byzantine crush the Rashiduns, I plan for a civil war beetween Amr and his brother whoch tears the calpite apart leading to the Byzzies succesfully retaking the levant and also making incursions into Arabia, then Egypt will eclare independance so the ROmans invade with their full might see a massive war where the Romans win and burn out the copts thus depopulating egypt. Afterwords the byzzies start to repopulate it with Byzantine orthodox. Wallah ROman egypt.
¿Wut?

The Eastern Romans and Sassanids had ruined each other and really did not have the capability to fight off the Muslims. Also, if the Eastern Romans lose the Levant, they're not keeping Egypt for long.

The Copts are Orthodox, hell, they're even part Greek (like 3/4 Native Egyptian, 1/4 Greek).

Not only that, but why the hell would they absolutely destroy a rebellious province? If they invade it, that means they want to get it back. And without destroying it in the process.
 
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Egypt going independent is different than Egypt being conquered by the Caliphate, unless the Caliphate grabs Egypt before the new native regime can get fully established.

There are some substantial butterflies from this--North Africa stays Christian, for starters.
 
Srrry guys I made no sense whatsoever.:(:( In reality I did some more research and this is ASB. I frankly cannot see with the POD I chose Egypt remaining in Roman hands. So what if Instead Egypt breaks off from Rome after a decade or so, and we have an independant Coptic Egypt. Because Artenius will defeat the Arabs so they become no real threat and then Egypt breaks off. Would that be more likely.
Also I wa planning afterwords for some Byzzy emperor who plans to retake Egypt go to war. So then Egypt falls to the Romans in a similiar fashion as how Egypt fell to Rome.

Oh btw The reason most of my tls don't make sense is cause I didn't use word. Instead I used this messaging box and so I couldn't format. Check out my Trebizond TL I formatted with word and it has no grammar errors. POnce again srry guys for not making any sense.:(:(
 
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