Hitlers longevity in an ATL

Depend on how much stress he suffers during the war and if he can change his doctor, if there is a long. War and doesn’t change his habit much I don’t see him surviving past 1950, if the war against they ussr is relatively short and there aren’t too many post war internal struggle, with him getting another doctor then he could survive to the late 50s, even 1960, but not much longer.

On average. I’d say in the first half of the 50s
 
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what would happen?
what I was asking was, if the monarchy was near unlikely to rise up, what would be Germanys govermental course after hitlers death? would a head nazi run the government? could the monarch be brought back by the generals or would that be unpopular with the people?
 
It is likely that Goering would succeed Hitler (assuming that Hitler does not dismiss him as in ATL); assuming that Goring is incapacitated or politically neutered in some way it would leave Himmler as the most powerful man in the Reich.

Pretty scary.
yes, it was said that Goering would also be pretty corrupt.
 

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Probably dead by 1950. If the NSDAP attempts to replace the Wehrmacht with the SS, even sooner as the Officer Corps would not accept such.
Not a chance. Even while he was losing the damned war and wiping out the Heer in the process almost none of the officers went back on the personal oath of loyalty. If he WON the war? Quiet as church mice.
 
Not a chance. Even while he was losing the damned war and wiping out the Heer in the process almost none of the officers went back on the personal oath of loyalty. If he WON the war? Quiet as church mice.

A small disorganized group damn near killed him in 1944. Piss off the entirety of the Officer Cadre, and I wouldn't be surprised if the ATL attempt doesn't fail.
 

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A small disorganized group damn near killed him in 1944. Piss off the entirety of the Officer Cadre, and I wouldn't be surprised if the ATL attempt doesn't fail.
A small disorganized group filled with officers who wanted to change the course of the war, which they could see was being lost. In this scenario he WON. In this scenario there is no way the Officer Corps turns its back on its Oath. Simply not going to happen.

It was not in the Officer Corps make-up to dishonor their oaths in that manner. You also assume that it would happen instantly. It wouldn't. It would be in drips and drops. Heer infantry units demobilize at the end of the war, Senior officers are given honors and estates.They were always smaller than the Heer, the Heer had far more of the factory workers, police officers, mailmen,etc., all the nuts and bolts that are needed to keep a peacetime economy working. The Waffen SS and Luftwaffe units do NOT stand down since the SS is assigned to secure the Eastern zone and General Government (doing tasks that the Heer command staff never much liked to begin with). Gradually most of the panzer and motorized units are under Waffen SS control, most of the rest are under Luftwaffe orders, as are the paratroops. Then the garrison troops in the West are changed over from Heer to some sort of paramilitary under Himmler's control. By the time the General Staff realizes they've been had, well, they've been had.
 
A small disorganized group filled with officers who wanted to change the course of the war, which they could see was being lost. In this scenario he WON. In this scenario there is no way the Officer Corps turns its back on its Oath. Simply not going to happen.

It was not in the Officer Corps make-up to dishonor their oaths in that manner. You also assume that it would happen instantly. It wouldn't. It would be in drips and drops. Heer infantry units demobilize at the end of the war, Senior officers are given honors and estates.They were always smaller than the Heer, the Heer had far more of the factory workers, police officers, mailmen,etc., all the nuts and bolts that are needed to keep a peacetime economy working. The Waffen SS and Luftwaffe units do NOT stand down since the SS is assigned to secure the Eastern zone and General Government (doing tasks that the Heer command staff never much liked to begin with). Gradually most of the panzer and motorized units are under Waffen SS control, most of the rest are under Luftwaffe orders, as are the paratroops. Then the garrison troops in the West are changed over from Heer to some sort of paramilitary under Himmler's control. By the time the General Staff realizes they've been had, well, they've been had.

There were elements attempting this going back to 1933/1934. Demobilization would be hard for the generals to fight but the moment Berlin starts talking about transferring formations to the SS, that's going to trigger a bureaucratic fight by the Generals.
 
It is likely that Goering would succeed Hitler (assuming that Hitler does not dismiss him as in ATL); assuming that Goring is incapacitated or politically neutered in some way it would leave Himmler as the most powerful man in the Reich.

Pretty scary.
I legitimately doubt Goering would be the man who followed, to my mind more likely Hitler would die and leave a will stating - as with irl, that he wants the presidency and chancellory returned. I suspect this would be conveniently ignored by the individuals in the power vaccum who would all vye for power. To my mind Himmler would seem to come out on top and may even become Fuhrer, only to then be removed the minute he tried anything like the aforementioned removal of the Wehrmacht much akin to what happened to Beria in the USSR post Stalin.

I suspect Himmler would also be abandoned by his allies as all this goes down when the more 'sensible' minds of the regime realise if he doesn't go the whole thing will come crashing down from infighting and chaos. Individuals like perhaps even the psycho Heydrich might forsake him in exchange for heading up the SS as is under a new regime.

Ultimately if the Reich won the war (defining that as having crippled soviet offensive capabilities and defeated the western allies) I suspect Hitler would be dead early 50's if not from whatever disease he has (Syphilis or Parkinsons) then overdosing on some drug his nuts 'doctor' gives him and you'd get someone unexpected take over like Joachim Peiper or Heydrich. It to my mind wouldn't be any of the expected successors because they would be just so so tainted and all hated/distrusted one another. They'd fall to a black horse.
 
Himmler isn't likely to take power, powerful as he is, he is a secret policeman as far as the Party are concerned and his Waffen-SS commanders despised him. Assuming Goering is disinherited and Hess has become too obviously eccentric to act as a caretaker leader, you are probably looking at a Party figure like Burkel, Bouhler or (outside chance based on proven competence) Werner Best. If Fritz Todt didn't die as OTL he is a possible too. Himmler will probably have an unfortunate accident and leave Heydrich (if not assassinated 1942) Ohlendorf or Berger as the new Reichfuhrer SS. Bormann is unlikely, he was unpopular with the Army, Luftwaffe, SS and within the Party. His power came from his proximity to the Fuhrer and the fact that he was an effective administrator.
 
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