Hitler T-Shirts as popular as Che Guevara ones

hat asked what it would've been like if the rise of the Nazis and World War II has gone in the same way as it had in OTL, with one major exception: no Holocaust. German Jews would still be scapegoated, persecuted, and have their civil rights trampled on, but would not be shipped to camps and killed in the millions. A few people answered that this would change the way Hitler was viewed by history: instead of being looked at as evil incarnate, he would be a polarizing, controversial historical figure who did great things to lift his country out of economic and political turmoil and remake it as a world power, but whose methods were questionable at best, and who went on to become the next Napoleon, starting a war that engulfed an entire continent.

Not having Jews shipped to the camps and not having the camps aren't the same thing. Which is it? (More specifically, is there any organized effort against the Romani (Gypsies)?)
 
Hipsters who glorify Che without knowing who the hell he was are almost as annoying as people who make Che out to be a mass murdering, inhuman monster who was motivated only by bloodlust.

A friend told me she saw someone wearing a t-shirt with guevara's picture above the words "Cli Che".
 
Not one Communist Party in the former WP/or Soviet Union supported Israel. Instead all gave their full support to the PLO, PFLP and any Western terrorist organization like the RAF to attack any target associated with Israel.
I could go on and on but I don't want to derail the thread.

Why does supporting Israel have to do with whether they are against Jews or not. Anti-Semitism was outlawed in the Soviet Penal code and in 1914 the Bolsheviks in the Duma proposed a bill to eliminate all restriction against Jews in the Russian Empire. Under the Soviet Union, the restrictions of Jews in employment and the Soviets liberated many of the Nazi Death camps freeing the mainly Jewish inmates. The Soviet commander that liberated Auschwitz was Jewish.
 
Not having Jews shipped to the camps and not having the camps aren't the same thing. Which is it? (More specifically, is there any organized effort against the Romani (Gypsies)?)

No camps. Sorry, should've expanded on that part: nobody is sent to death camps. People who are considered "inferior" (such as gypsies, homosexuals, etc.) are, like the Jews, scapegoated, treated like dirt, and have their rights trampled on, but there aren't efforts to full-on exterminate them.
 

Clipper747

Banned
Why does supporting Israel have to do with whether they are against Jews or not. Anti-Semitism was outlawed in the Soviet Penal code and in 1914 the Bolsheviks in the Duma proposed a bill to eliminate all restriction against Jews in the Russian Empire. Under the Soviet Union, the restrictions of Jews in employment and the Soviets liberated many of the Nazi Death camps freeing the mainly Jewish inmates. The Soviet commander that liberated Auschwitz was Jewish.



You have to dig deeper. The anti semitism is there. Jews were not considered equals, or good Communists and were always suspect (i.e. some nebulous Zionist plot).
 
Wrong the Far Left and Far Right are the same. The differences between them are trivial. Both have the same hatred, both want to control society for it's own means, both detest personal liberty, both believe in a dominant all powerful central gov't and most importantly both Fascist and Communist are anti-Jew. Fact.
As a fascist I resent this blanket statement, I have no issue with jews, note there is a difference between Fascism and Nazism
Sure, Stalin is beloved by the majority of people in the West, due to the communist control of the media. Right...

No, Stalin is liked because Hitler stabbed him in the back, :D
 
I recall a very interesting thread not long ago that asked what it would've been like if the rise of the Nazis and World War II has gone in the same way as it had in OTL, with one major exception: no Holocaust. German Jews would still be scapegoated, persecuted, and have their civil rights trampled on, but would not be shipped to camps and killed in the millions. A few people answered that this would change the way Hitler was viewed by history: instead of being looked at as evil incarnate, he would be a polarizing, controversial historical figure who did great things to lift his country out of economic and political turmoil and remake it as a world power, but whose methods were questionable at best, and who went on to become the next Napoleon, starting a war that engulfed an entire continent.

Even aside from the Holocaust and World War II, Hitler was a lousy ruler. His attacks on art and literature that he dislike set back German culture by hundreds of years. Hitler's economic success was exaggerated. While official unemployment was eliminated by rearmament, the statistics were skewed by the fact that most Women and Jews were pushed out of the workforce and not counted in the unemployment rolls. and real wages in Germany dropped 25 percent between 1933 and 1938 due to the elimination of labor unions and new pro management labor laws. Hitler also, greatly increased Germany's debt and deficit.

Hitler and his Nazis were responsible for much of Germany's turmoil before during the Weimer Republic.
 
1:
Arabs unify and greatly improve their economy and military strength.

2. Israel is defeated, and executes the Samson option. They decide Europe should pay for not supporting them. A number of European capitals go boom.

3. Hitler on T-shirts.
 

BlondieBC

Banned
POD: October Israel-Arab War.

Nixon refuses to resupply Israel. A desperate Israel use 10 tactical nuclear weapons in Golan Heights. Israel also uses nuclear weapons to destroy the 5 largest Syrian cities, 5 largest Egyptian cities, and the Aswan High Dam resulting in millions of casualties.

Adolf Hitler shirts become popular in the Islamic world.
 
Not wanting to sound like a fashionista, but....

Making these fashionable as a T-shirt also has to consider when they became fashionable clothing themselves. While they pre-date the war (originally devised as underwear), they only started gaining popularity as outer garments by being worn as such by American veterans after 1945. As a fashion/pop culture item, decorated t-shirts were a 60's thing.

So whichever POD you go for needs to make Hitler an iconic figure in the 60's at the earliest. Che has an advantage here as he is essentially 'more recent', ergo, more relevent to the youth.
 
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