Hitler never happens

Say Germany on the early 1930s gets by without Hitler coming to power. In time a moderate conservative nationalist government will come to power. They are not going to be happy with the existing status quo, what do you think they will demand and what do you think they will get?
 
The world is a much, much better place.

A moderate conservative government is some one that people can do business with, and before Hitler went off his nut the big concern was the soviet union, with this more moderate government that continues to be the big worry and Germany can use its position to get a place in an alliance to contain them and leverage that into trade deals.

There will probally be a border adjustment with Poland with germany taking Danzig and the corridor but I don't think you get the overreach that leads to a world war.
 

Albert.Nik

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It is very difficult to say what would have happened. What kind of conservative or nationalist Govt will it be? Conservatism of which age? The likely thing would be a probable influence by UK or France or any other major Neighboring Western European Power(Scandinavia?Italy?) which would be helped by the West to secure an influence towards the East. Would they make more Anglo or Franco or something else influence on the Germans while keeping German language intact is a speculation. This would in turn help Britain(the most likely candidate) or other power to secure more of their Empire in Europe and elsewhere. A better,peaceful and a more advanced world in all!
 

zhropkick

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If Germany eventually establishes decent relations with the UK and France, and WW2 is averted with the remaining fascist regimes in Southern Europe getting the Franco treatment, does Stalin or whoever's in charge of the USSR eventually take a shot at invading Europe? Is it possible to get a Red Alert-style scenario by removing a Central European fascist bloc and replacing it with a bunch of nationalistic, conservative governments that strongly prefer Paris and London to Moscow?
 
If Germany eventually establishes decent relations with the UK and France, and WW2 is averted with the remaining fascist regimes in Southern Europe getting the Franco treatment, does Stalin or whoever's in charge of the USSR eventually take a shot at invading Europe? Is it possible to get a Red Alert-style scenario by removing a Central European fascist bloc and replacing it with a bunch of nationalistic, conservative governments that strongly prefer Paris and London to Moscow?

No. At least Stalin is not going take anything or at least not much without WW2. Stalin was ruthless psychopath but not stupid. He knew that if he would had started invasion pretty much whole Europe would had turned against USSR. No, there can't be succesful invasion nor there hardly is stupid enough leader who would do that.

But if Germany becomes moderately conservative, it might be able to re-negotiate Versailles. France might allow bit stronger army for Germany (perhaps Germany could point threat of USSR), not so harsh reparations and end of demilitarised Rheinland. Perhaps even some border changes with Poland and anchluss. But hardly Sudetelands. Germany without Hilter and Nazis hardly are pushing so far.
 
Some other threads that have discussed similar themes include
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/tbwi-hitler-never-becomes-leader-of-germany.455253/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...orld-where-hitler-never-rose-to-power.454908/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...-nazis-might-wwii-still-have-happened.453705/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/what-if-hitler-had-been-a-good-guy.452517/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wwii-without-hitler.450221/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/hitler-dead-in-1932-what-next.450173/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/pc-ww2-without-stalin-or-hitler.450137/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-hitler-died-during-the-beer-hall-putsch.449563/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/germany-without-hitler-red-germany.447502/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...-of-stalin-leads-to-ussr-starting-ww2.442844/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/asb-makes-hitler-not-anti-semitic.442128/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...-of-hitler-lenin-stalin-and-mussolini.437624/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/what-if-hitler-died-in-world-war-one.437619/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/why-is-the-alternative-to-the-hitler-of-otl.423650/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...wer-in-1933-weimar-republik-continues.420961/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/what-if-hitler-died-in-the-beer-hall-putsch.418860/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...e-of-einstein-and-21st-century-morals.413110/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/hitler-committed-suicide-in-1923.402089/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-hitler-died-in-ww1.399988/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/culture-in-a-hitler-less-world.399791/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...olf-hitler-and-the-rise-of-the-kaiser.394413/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/would-wwii-have-happened-minus-hitler.394337/

And, of course, the classic
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...-for-a-hero-gustav-stresemann-survives.89874/
 
I like the idea of now big war in Europe. Fix some of the inequities of Versailles. Lwow stays in Poland. Gdansk becomes Danzig. Germany recovers some, but not all, territory lost in Versailles. But look at the implications. No Holocaust means millions of Jewish and Slavic people continuing their lives. People and artifacts will stay put in Europe. Will there be a UN? Now look at the other side of the world.

What will Imperial Japan do? Will they attack the United Sates? Will they go after Korea or French Indo-China? Let's say they don't attack Pearl Harbor and go for Korea. How will America respond to the tensions? Will they give aid to Korea? And stateside? Cars are still built in 1942. No rationing of food, goods and fuel. Television spreads sooner. German tape recording is sold internationally, jump-starting entertainment. The list goes on and can spread many directions.
 
Some other threads that have discussed similar themes include
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/tbwi-hitler-never-becomes-leader-of-germany.455253/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...orld-where-hitler-never-rose-to-power.454908/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...-nazis-might-wwii-still-have-happened.453705/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/what-if-hitler-had-been-a-good-guy.452517/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wwii-without-hitler.450221/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/hitler-dead-in-1932-what-next.450173/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/pc-ww2-without-stalin-or-hitler.450137/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-hitler-died-during-the-beer-hall-putsch.449563/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/germany-without-hitler-red-germany.447502/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...-of-stalin-leads-to-ussr-starting-ww2.442844/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/asb-makes-hitler-not-anti-semitic.442128/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...-of-hitler-lenin-stalin-and-mussolini.437624/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/what-if-hitler-died-in-world-war-one.437619/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/why-is-the-alternative-to-the-hitler-of-otl.423650/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...wer-in-1933-weimar-republik-continues.420961/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/what-if-hitler-died-in-the-beer-hall-putsch.418860/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...e-of-einstein-and-21st-century-morals.413110/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/hitler-committed-suicide-in-1923.402089/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-hitler-died-in-ww1.399988/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/culture-in-a-hitler-less-world.399791/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...olf-hitler-and-the-rise-of-the-kaiser.394413/
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/would-wwii-have-happened-minus-hitler.394337/

And, of course, the classic
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...-for-a-hero-gustav-stresemann-survives.89874/

yeah but the thread title is gold.
 
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