Hitler in South Africa

That is really cool. Good luck with it.

Is this a world where the Axis won the war? Or are Nazi Germany and the UK allies here?

Not allies as such... more an uneasy peace. But the Nazis have defeated the Soviet Union - so an Axis victory of sorts.
 
I really doubt that Hitler would have risen very high in South Africa. While his politics would have gone down quite well with certain sections of the Afrikaaner community he would still never get elected because he wasn't either a Boer or English. As a general rule the English community would vote for a native English speaker rather than a German immigrant and the Boer's wouldn't vote for anyone who hadn't been in Africa for at least 3 generations and who didn't speak perfect Afrikaans and while Afrikaans is close enough to German to be relatively easy for him to learn he would probably have an accent for his entire life.
 
I really doubt that Hitler would have risen very high in South Africa. While his politics would have gone down quite well with certain sections of the Afrikaaner community he would still never get elected because he wasn't either a Boer or English. As a general rule the English community would vote for a native English speaker rather than a German immigrant and the Boer's wouldn't vote for anyone who hadn't been in Africa for at least 3 generations and who didn't speak perfect Afrikaans and while Afrikaans is close enough to German to be relatively easy for him to learn he would probably have an accent for his entire life.

Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HF_Verwoerd
 

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HV did have some advantages though. He was Dutch and he grew up and was schooled in SA. I think it safe to assume he was fluent in High Dutch and Afrikaans and iirc at the time he was schooled it (pre war) would have been quite normal for any Afrikaner or Afrikaner aligned immigrant child to be instructed in High Dutch, at least at the higher levels. IIRC Afrikaans did not officially replace Dutch until the mid 1920s.

I also think it safe to assume that if one wanted to be an immigrant to SA and the predecessor states at the time his parents arrived, being Dutch would be a tremendous advantage, as opposed to being say German, Austrian or anyone else, at least to the Afrikaaner community.
 
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HV did have some advantages though. He was Dutch and he grew up and was schooled in SA. I think it safe to assume he was fluent in High Dutch and Afrikaans and iirc at the time he was schooled it (pre war) would have been quite normal for any Afrikaner or Afrikaner aligned immigrant child to be instructed in High Dutch, at least at the higher levels. IIRC Afrikaans did not officially replace Dutch until the mid 1920s.

I also think it safe to assume that if one wanted to be an immigrant to SA and the predecessor states at the time his parents arrived, being Dutch would be a tremendous advantage, as opposed to being say German, Austrian or anyone else, at least to the Afrikaaner community.

Yeah, agreed. Just was nitpicking the claim that 'Boers' (which is somewhat of a pejorative term, depending on the context, not many people seem to know that), wouldn't vote for anyone who wasn't at least a third-generation South Africa. That is patently rubbish.

That said, Afrikaners have never really been that welcoming of immigrants into their community. I know lots of English-speaking South Africans whose parents are immigrants (not always British). Off the top of my head I can think of three Afrikaans friends with recent immigrant ancestry. One guy's grandfather was born in Holland, and another's stepmother was born there. Another Afrikaans friend's mother is German, although she's moved back there. He's decided to stay here though. After living in the UK, Germany, Aus, and NZ, he's decided SA is the best of all those places.

There was also quite a popular Afrikaans folk song (not sure how old it is) called Vat jou goed en trek Ferreira. Translated this means 'Take your stuff and leave Ferreira.' Ferreira is quite a common surname among Portuguese immigrants to South Africa, so there was quite a lot of hostility towards immigrants. Not so much Western European migrants, but especially twoards those from the Med region and Southern Europe.
 
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There was also quite a popular Afrikaans folk song (not sure how old it is) called Vat jou goed en trek Ferreira. Translated this means 'Take your stuff and leave Ferreira.' Ferreira is quite a common surname among Portuguese immigrants to South Africa, so there was quite a lot of hostility towards immigrants. Not so much Western European migrants, but especially twoards those from the Med region and Southern Europe.
And I thought they were concentrating their hostility on black people. But it seems like those Jaapies hated everyone who wasn't them.
 
And I thought they were concentrating their hostility on black people. But it seems like those Jaapies hated everyone who wasn't them.

Fuck, Afrikaners aren't all bad dude.

I'm half-Afrikaans and I'm pretty proud of it to be honest.

Afrikaners have done some terrible things but without them SA wouldn't be the country wouldn't be the country it is today.

Nor without English whites, nor without the Indians, nor without the Zulus, nor without the Coloureds, nor without the Sothos etc...
 
I'm not saying all Afrikaners are racist. I was speaking in the past tense. Don't get me wrong, man. Because I found it kind of amusing that pretty much every other ethnic group was hated, from blacks to "coloureds" to Indians to English to Asians to South Europeans. You'd think they ran out of hatred at some point...
 
Probably not very great. Maybe he would play a role had there been a nationalist (Afikaaner nationalist that is) uprising in World War 1 in time to recieve support from the German forces in South West Africa or maybe he would stay there after being taken prisoner. However Hitler was an Austrian who only enetered Germany to evade military service in Austria and only volunteered to join the German Army on the outbreak of war by which time the German colonies would be cut off by the Royal Navy.

Maybe he would emigrate to South Africa but a German would have problems in competing with Afrikaaner nationalists as he wasn't an Afrikaaner. Also the NSDAP eventually adopted a policy of scapegoating and ultimately exterminating a minority whereas the Afikaaners exploited the majority population and merely wanted to control them. Whilst Apartheid was an abomination could you really imagine any Nazi coming to his senses and relinquishing power peacefully like De Klerk. Possibly the Rand rebellion would have been Hitlers beer hall putsch and he would blame prominent Jewish businessmen like the Oppenheimers for trying to dilute labour by giving jobs to Africans in the mines and he might have risen to power in the nationalist party but he would probably have been too extreme and he would be regarded as a non Afikaaner.

Guy Saville's book Afrika Reich sounds interesting and worth reading if the libraries ever get hold of it (some chance with the current climate of cuts)but nothing to do with the question efffectively it is another What if 1940 timelines
 
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