Hitler goes WTF: Focus on the Race Issue

Just a crazy idea I got.

While reading about the Spanish civil war, it struck me that Francos army where in part black, containing tribal warriors recruited in North Africa. Thus Hitler, beeing a racist, should side with the Republic, fearing that the black soldiers would rape white women.

Not to mention that he claimed beeing a socialist (see party name) and a secondary objective where keeping the other countries pre-occupied while he did and planed what he did.

I'm sure I get something wrong, and use to much logic and reason. However, WI Hitler did side with the republic after a few month (I think it would have been hard moving troops over the Med if the Germans opposed it)?
 
Not to mention that he claimed beeing a socialist (see party name) and a secondary objective where keeping the oth

National Socialism and Socialism are no where near the same. National Socialism is fascism which cares for the state with the belief that the state's benefit will invariably benefit the people as a cog of that mechanism, not the people directly, and is a hard right, hyper nationalist, racist, jingoistic and totalitarian ideology; likewise, they hated socialists, liberals and communists with a vengeance. Socialism believes in egalitarianism, nationalization of key industries for the benefit of the workers, state intervention into the economy to varying degrees, and is basically democratic and works within a democratic state.
 

Susano

Banned
Its not true that national Socialism and Socialism never had any overlap. Only when Hitlers factions descively won (against, say, the Stressners faction) could that be said. But, yes, he himself was not at all socialist. Indeed, he was the one who (together with his cabal of Goehring and Goebbels) made the NSDAP (before seen as too proletarian) acceptable to the upper classes, so that argument of the opening post does indeed not hold.

In any case, Hitler was also rabidly ani-communist and authoritarian by principle, both which endeared him to Franco. I can really see no way of Hitler helping the Republic...
 

wormyguy

Banned
He also allied with the Croatian and Bulgarian Slavs.

Socialism is simply the ideology that resources be distributed as evenly as possible among the people. It is an integral part of Fascist and National Socialist ideology. What Hitler disliked were those Socialists who also shared democratic, pacifistic, anti-racist, or Communist ideals, all things contrary to National Socialist ideology.
 

Susano

Banned
He also allied with the Croatian and Bulgarian Slavs.

Socialism is simply the ideology that resources be distributed as evenly as possible among the people. It is an integral part of Fascist and National Socialist ideology. What Hitler disliked were those Socialists who also shared democratic, pacifistic, anti-racist, or Communist ideals, all things contrary to National Socialist ideology.

Thats not quite all that scoailism is, and even if it was Hitler surely didnt subscribe to that principle, either...
 

MrP

Banned
Just a crazy idea I got.

While reading about the Spanish civil war, it struck me that Francos army where in part black, containing tribal warriors recruited in North Africa. Thus Hitler, beeing a racist, should side with the Republic, fearing that the black soldiers would rape white women.

Not to mention that he claimed beeing a socialist (see party name) and a secondary objective where keeping the other countries pre-occupied while he did and planed what he did.

I'm sure I get something wrong, and use to much logic and reason. However, WI Hitler did side with the republic after a few month (I think it would have been hard moving troops over the Med if the Germans opposed it)?

IIRC, blacks weren't explicitly targeted by Hitler's ideology - since they were so few in number in Germany.* In the long term, were he successful, he'd assuredly be his tosserish self to them, but in the short term he was quite prepared to overlook such things for pragmatic purposes. The Molotov Pact comes to mind.

* There was a programme about the experience of blacks in Germany during WWII that was on Channel 4 back in the '90s, and every time Hitler's opinion of blacks comes up on here, I wish more and more that I'd recorded it (it was on at some late hour when I was/should have been abed) and watched it.
 
National Socialism and Socialism are no where near the same.

That's certanly debated over and over on the Internet, wasting quite a few ones and zeros. The main thing was that Hitler was willing to use socialist retoric at times, hence the word claim.

Anyway, I found what MrP said interesting. Anyone who know more.
 
IMHO, Hitler just wanted to win first, make the superior race later. He just mainly fouced on the Jews, and planned later to kill the blacks, homosexuals, and Slavs, and everybody else. Japan was needed to distract Japan. I know I posted Japan twice. That made it funny.:D:D
 
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