Hitler does not hate Jewish People

General Zod

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What about Myamnar/Burma?

Only democratically elected Presidents/Prime Ministers count. Well, on second thoughts, I suppose that makes GWB (well he stole the first election but won an honest victory in the second, regrettable choice as it may be), Putin (very questionable elections but probably he would have won without riggings anyway) and Chavez (ditto). Anyway, we still did worse than everybody else: in unquestionably free elections, even if the Americans or the other EU members would have been rightly horrified to see Mr. Murdoch use FoxNews to buy himself the Presidency, we did elect our megalomanic doofus thrice, Americans only twice (well, once. 2000 doesn't really count).
 
General Zod, with all respect, only the ignorant continue to pretend that Bush didn't win the 2000 election. Why not study how the American political system works instead of embarrassing yourself?
 
General Zod, with all respect, only the ignorant continue to pretend that Bush didn't win the 2000 election. Why not study how the American political system works instead of embarrassing yourself?
But he DIDN'T Win, At Least Not Legally ...

Heck if I were Bush ...

I'd Present that Line of Argument, And See if I could Turn it into an Attempt at a Real Third Term!

:p
 
Returning this argument to the question...

There is quite a bit of psychological evidence that Hitler used the Jews as a surrogate for deep seated problems in his own life as well as scape-goats for the failure of Germany to win WWI (this included a grandfather he could not account for).

If Hitler had managed to overcome these psychological problems in his assumption of power, the US would have lost a great deal of technological supremacy (many Jews who would aid in America's tech lead, especially the Manhattan Project, came from Europe due to Hitler's violent program against their people). Not attacking the Jews would have also helped the educational programs of the Reich. Many scholars have pointed out the failures of a generation that came up during the Dreit Reich with an arrogant superiority complex without the teachers to establish it, many professors either ending up in the camps or abroad.

Most importantly, who is to say Hitler wouldn't instill all his hatred for socialism/communism leading to a venomous rage for the USSR that he wouldn't focus his entire life to the collapse of Marxism? There was the claim that Jews supported and initiated Marxism to achieve power. If the Jews are removed from the equation, then Hitler's rage can only focus on the communists. With such rage, who is to say that Hitler wouldn't focus solely on those who nearly ripped Germany apart after the loss of WWI.
 
The young Hitler that moved from Vienna to Munich pre WW1 did not yet show any signs of violent antisemitism. In Vienna, he had lived together with Jews and cooperated with some. He was a somewhat peculiar character but in no way the man that was to be the "Führer" of later years.
It must have been the WW1 experience that changed his character and the experience immediately after WW1 that shaped his antisemitism.
Almost all the major leaders of the extreme left were Jews, and Hitler was a firm believer of the "stab in the back". Jew and Bolshevist were synonyms for Hitler.
To conceive a Hitler that is not antisemitic, a strong right-wing Jew would be required as someone who guids and coaches him in the early 1920ies.
 
Italian. What part of media tycoon Prime Minister escaped your notice ? :)

I really doubt any other European or major democratic nation is presently burdened with the disgrace of a megalomanic, crook, incompetent media tycoon with Napoleonic tendencies only matched by his ineptitude, no democratic instinct to speak of, and a wholly subservient party coalition of neo-fascists, racist tax-cheater separatists, crypto mob sympathizers, and assorted crook yes-men, in charge. :(:mad:

IIRC only Thailand had someone similar in charge, but even they had the good grace to oust him. :rolleyes:

Sadly the political body of my nation is nothing but thorough in his mistakes. He already impoverished us and made us the laugh and shame of Europe, and we put him in charge thrice, again with the promise of tax cuts for the cheaters and being tough on the (illegal) aliens and street crime by the same, which was wildly overblown by the tycoon's media (which happen to be half of our national broadcasts and several influential newspapers) in the electoral campaign.

Gypsies were the minority whose members' criminal behavior was overblown worse of all, to the proportions of a moral panic (according to his media before the election, you could scarcely have a walk without tripping on an illegal alien robber, rapist, burglar, or all of the three, Gypsies being the worst). That's why I can testify that anti-Gypsy racism is very alive and well in Europe, at least in my country. There is no specific taboo against anti-Gypsy racism, at least among those who do not have one against racism per se. Very few care of or remember the Gypsy Holocaust (or the Slav one, or the homosexual one), whereas the Jew Holocaust is very present in popular consciousness and even far right mainstream politicians are very careful to distance themselves from anti-semitism (which if anything, is skirted by the loony far left, in their fanatical anti-sionist stance).

Therefore, I'm quite persuaded that without the sacrifice of the Jews, the Holocaust would have been a minor footone, in popular consciousness.

Zod, I still don't understand how could Berlusconi be elected AGAIN when everybody knows he is a bast***. My aunt (she lives in Italy) positively loathes him because of all those things. You really need to kick him out and put someone like Di Pietro up there!
 
The young Hitler that moved from Vienna to Munich pre WW1 did not yet show any signs of violent antisemitism. In Vienna, he had lived together with Jews and cooperated with some. He was a somewhat peculiar character but in no way the man that was to be the "Führer" of later years.

It must have been the WW1 experience that changed his character and the experience immediately after WW1 that shaped his antisemitism.
Almost all the major leaders of the extreme left were Jews, and Hitler was a firm believer of the "stab in the back". Jew and Bolshevist were synonyms for Hitler.

To conceive a Hitler that is not antisemitic, a strong right-wing Jew would be required as someone who guids and coaches him in the early 1920ies.


Well, they say all is fair in love and war. Hitler wouldn't be the first or last man to go all crusader, no remorse during a war. But if his war experiences left him driven and brutal, and the post-WWI experiences left him looking for a scapegoat, it's why not introduce another emotion /irrationalty breeding factor into his life - love.

I don't know if a Jew saving his life would help. But let's say he fell in love with a Jewish, or at least half-Jewish girl. That might be enough to tone him down a bit.
 

Churchill

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Living as a poor man in Vienna and seeing Jewish pimps with their German prostitutes and Jewish gangsters living it up had an effect on Hitler as it did many other Austrians.
 

yourworstnightmare

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There is anti- semitism and there is anti- semitism. While I don't think Hitler could ever like Jews, he might just decide to not try to exterminate them if things had been different.
 
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