Hitler converts to Islam

Wimble Toot

Banned
He believed (here the word is just right) that Jesus was a fighter more than a sufferer, that he was a Galilean guerrilla leader who was trying to get rid of the Jewish occupation of his country (yes, not the Roman, the Jewish occupation), and that he, of course, wasn't a Jew.

Of course, the myth-shrouded origins of the biblical Jesus are open to multiple interpretations. Hitler's interpretation was no more 'wrong' than St Augustine's, or mine, or yours.
 
Of course, the myth-shrouded origins of the biblical Jesus are open to multiple interpretations. Hitler's interpretation was no more 'wrong' than St Augustine's, or mine, or yours.
There are still things we do know, and things for which there's absolutely zero evidence even hinting against - for example, that Jesus was a Jew himself, and that Jesus was not trying to free his homeland from any "Jewish occupation."
 

Wimble Toot

Banned
for example, that Jesus was a Jew himself, and that Jesus was not trying to free his homeland from any "Jewish occupation."

And the historical evidence for this claim - is what? The Pharisees alleged to have put him to death were Jews, also, and the Romans alleged to executed the historical Jesus (or one of them) were not.
 
And the historical evidence for this claim - is what? The Pharisees alleged to have put him to death were Jews, also, and the Romans alleged to executed the historical Jesus (or one of them) were not.
That all the ancient mentions of Jesus anywhere call him a Jew, as well as most of his early followers. Look at how even Rabbinical Judaism - which would have loved to write him off as a Gentile if they could - had to accept him as a Jew.
 
Hitler's own religious beliefs are really beside the point here. (They seem to have been vaguely theistic.) The point is that he was leader of a nation where the vast majority of people professed Christianity, and he knew that he must publicly claim to be defending it. "They say today that Christendom is imperiled, that the Catholic faith is in danger. To this I answer: 'Finally there are Christians and not international atheists who are in charge in Germany.'" https://books.google.com/books?id=oRwJs6qCMvIC&pg=PA90

If he announced a conversion to Islam, he would probably be viewed as insane--not only by the people but by both his party colleagues and by the military.
 
I wonder what Hitler's new name would be if he converted to Islam.

Not sure, maybe an Arabic name equivalent for noble wolf? His surname is another matter.

While he would probably embrace Sunni Islam given his desire to court the Muslim world, what if the whole notion of Aryanism influenced him convert to Shia Islam instead?
 

Md139115

Banned
Er. He believed (here the word is just right) that Jesus was a fighter more than a sufferer, that he was a Galilean guerrilla leader who was trying to get rid of the Jewish occupation of his country (yes, not the Roman, the Jewish occupation), and that he, of course, wasn't a Jew. This is more or less as historical as believing in the historical three-dollar banknote.

Of course, the myth-shrouded origins of the biblical Jesus are open to multiple interpretations. Hitler's interpretation was no more 'wrong' than St Augustine's, or mine, or yours.

There are still things we do know, and things for which there's absolutely zero evidence even hinting against - for example, that Jesus was a Jew himself, and that Jesus was not trying to free his homeland from any "Jewish occupation."

And the historical evidence for this claim - is what? The Pharisees alleged to have put him to death were Jews, also, and the Romans alleged to executed the historical Jesus (or one of them) were not.

That all the ancient mentions of Jesus anywhere call him a Jew, as well as most of his early followers. Look at how even Rabbinical Judaism - which would have loved to write him off as a Gentile if they could - had to accept him as a Jew.

Let's just end this now by pointing out His exact words:



"Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews."

John 4:22 (KJV)



Seems pretty clear to me.
 
...you know, if he converted early enough, could we have seen the possibility of Adolf Hitler deciding to fight for the Ottoman Empire in WW1 instead of Germany? Would that have even been possible?
 
...you know, if he converted early enough, could we have seen the possibility of Adolf Hitler deciding to fight for the Ottoman Empire in WW1 instead of Germany? Would that have even been possible?

Fighting for Germany/Austria-Hungary would still fulfill the jihad the Ottoman Caliph declared on the British Empire.
 

Wimble Toot

Banned
"Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews."

John 4:22 (KJV)


Seems pretty clear to me.

The Bible: now an incontrovertible first-hand historical source.

FILE UNDER: mythical person who may or may not have existed, and/or was a synthesis of several different persons, was most definitely a Jew.:winkytongue:
 
Damn right, and...Islam is a religion of peace...so, no fit there with killing Jews.

Christianity is religion of peace, too. Dead Protestants, and dead Catholics, are very peaceful after one has killed the other.

Islam is not a religion of peace and neither is christianity. Currently most people like peace and since most people like their own religion, they like to focus on the parts they like about their religion.So peaceful muslims look at the Quran and notice the parts about peace and say it is a religion of peace. Violent muslims look at the Quran and see the violent parts and for them Islam is a religion of war. Peaceful Christians look at the bible and notice the parts about peace ans say it is a religion of peace, etc. That is why somuch good and at the same time so much evil is done in the name of the exact same relgion. Religion is basicly a reflection of the people professing it.

So if Hitler stays a christian or converts to Islam, or Budism or whatever, in no way it will be a religion of peace. Hitler wanted war. He loved war and wathever he believed in, he would focus on the violent parts.
 

B-29_Bomber

Banned
He believed in the Christian god, and the historical figure of Jesus. You can't separate Nazism from Christianity, much as conservative Christians and right-wingers might want to, much as left-wingers can't separate socialism from National Socialism.

Yeah, Nazis ruined everything...
 

Wimble Toot

Banned
While he would probably embrace Sunni Islam given his desire to court the Muslim world, what if the whole notion of Aryanism influenced him convert to Shia Islam instead?

Or Sufism? Or Ismaʿilism? Lets not close off Hitler's options here.

Please read my upcoming TL where Hitler becomes a Imami Twelver and Gregor Strasser shoots him.
 
Besides the Bible, there aren't any.

And the accounts of Josephus, a contemporary of St. Paul, doesn't count? Even if other contemporary preachers got lumped into the figure of a Jesus (which is likely), there was a Jewish man named Yeshua bar Yosef who lived in the early 1st century AD who ruffled a few feathers. What religion would a provincial Aramaic-speaking guy in the Judea region have if not Judaism?
 
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