Hitler converts to Islam

In our timeline, while Hitler remained irreligious for most of his adult life, he did have a soft spot for one religion: Islam. In his eyes, while Christianity was a religion of slaves, Islam was a religion of warriors. To him, it was the religion that most closely meshed with his worldview. He met with Arab leaders such as Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Amin al-Husseini and even Khalid al-Hud al-Gargani, special envoy to Saudi Arabian king Ibn Saud.

As a result of his relationship with the Arab world, he began to believe that Islam was the perfect alternative as a religion to Christianity for Europeans, even believing that Europe would've been better off had the Muslims won the Battle of Tours.

So, what if after abandoning Christianity in his early adulthood, Hitler converted to Islam and based his political ideology not just on the superiority of the German race and hatred of the Jews, but on the superiority of Islam as a religion?
 
He supposedly said that he regretted that the French kept back the Muslims at the Pyrenees, as he believed if Europe had been Islamic then Germans would have floated to the top and control the whole Islamic world due to their racial superiority. In Table Talks it also claims that he talked down about people making fun or criticizing Muslims for having allowing men to have four wives. He apparently thought that a man taking Caremark of and loving four women was rather superior to Prussian noblemen having dozens of mistresses and bastards, both of which the Junker would just cast aside at his leisure without and social stigma to himself. I say supposedly and apparently here just to signal that Hitler's Table Talks has some questions as the truthfulness of the text. Both because Martin Bormann was the one who compiled the writings of his dinner conversations and might have been selective on what he wrote down, and because the owners refuse to show people the manuscripts, while the translators admitted that at times they were writing down what Hitler "would have" said.


Anyways, when is Hitler supposed to be converting to Islam? Guessing after he leaves Austria, which doesn't have the most pleasant of memories with Muslims at that point. Also, fun fact. Despite being a supposed tea-toller and vegetarian, he drank beer and ate sausages. Though that was partially because of issues with his stomach. Anyways, who wants to start up with funny alternative names for the Beerhall Putsch? I know it wasn't Hitler who set up the meeting in the beer hall, but he was in Bavaria, come to think of it, isn't there some Islamic rule against men showing their knees? Need some changes to Hitler Youth outfits.

Oh, and if Hitler becomes a Muslim he will need to be circumcised. I am sure this will in no way make people hesitant to join him in Dar Islam.
 
I'm assuming it would be relatively difficult for a Muslim convert to come to power in 1930s Germany, assuming he converted before then.

If he converts after taking power it would be interesting to see how people viewed it. Would some think he was mad?
 
An openly Muslim Hitler would definitely be the odd man out in Austrian or German politics. If he manages to attract political followers, they would be rather different followers than IOTL, and there most likely would be a lot less of them.
 
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Then Hitler is remembered as a particularly odd specimen of early 20th century ethnic nationalist and never gains power, or otherwise he and other Muslims play the role of what neopagans did in Nazi Germany in some other far right German leader's regime. Or if he does take power it ends up practically the same, since Hitler would not publically show his Islamic faith.
 
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Czar Kaizer

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I suppose if he converted to Islam earlier he turns away from politics and instead becomes a Muslims intellectual who writes a book called "My Jihad", where he uses the tennents of Islam to promote racial harmony, religious tolerance and denounce the colonialism of Britian and France.
 
I suppose if he converted to Islam earlier he turns away from politics and instead becomes a Muslims intellectual who writes a book called "My Jihad", where he uses the tennents of Islam to promote racial harmony, religious tolerance and denounce the colonialism of Britian and France.


If only Czar Kaizer! If only!
 
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Wimble Toot

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In our timeline, while Hitler remained irreligious for most of his adult life, he did have a soft spot for one religion: Islam.

Hitler would NOT reject Catholicism for paganism, atheism, or Islam, which would alienate him from nearly all the German Volk

He would continue to believe in the Christian deity, no matter how distorted his view of the Bible.

Why have someone else's decadent orientalist belief system imposed on him, when he's carefully created his own.
 
What if he managed to keep his conversion a secret in order to blend in, only to either subtly divulge it a few times when the Nazis court much of the Muslim world prior to WW2 or for it to be leaked out years (or even decades) after WW2?
 
I can't imagine hed get anywhere in politics tbh. I'm not sure germans in the 30s would accept an openly non Christian as leader. Granted Hitler was, as you said, irreligious but being of a different religion is probably a bridge to far.
 

Md139115

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Look, Hitler, while not what you would call a practicing Catholic, did have a positive view of his childhood religion. According to Albert Speer, he was disgusted by Himmler's neo-Paganism and actually tried to talk Goering and Gobbels out of their anti-clericalism.

Speer did go on to say that Hitler did have a good opinion on the head of the United church of Prussia at the time, and would have been fine setting him up as head of a unified German Christian church, but wasn't in a good position to do that.

Based on this, the aforementioned positive relations he had with Islamic leaders, and what is known about Hitler's psychology, I think that the following conclusions can be drawn:

1. As disturbing as it sounds, Adolf Hitler believed in God.

2. As even more deeply disturbing as it sounds, Hitler believed he was doing the will of God in uniting the people under his rule and weeding out the weak and evil (and I don't even want to think about what toxic brew of Christian theology, Nietzschian philosophy, Wagnerian opera, German nationalism, and plain old Anti-Semitism he drew that from)

3. Hitler had a good understanding of the power of religion and spirituality in people's lives, and how that could be used to motivate them (this is the master of pathos we are talking about here, and you really can't argue that there wasn't a cultivated religious aspect to his rallies)

4. Hitler had an overpowering urge to unite anything and everything he touched into a hierarchy overseen by a powerful leader. Dissent was intolerable to him, and control was paramount. Based on this, I suspect (but cannot prove) that he felt most attracted to Catholicism and Islam because of their strict hierarchical structures (remember now that the Ottoman Caliphate had only collapsed some 20 years prior, and none of the successor states had yet built up their own factions into the sort of jostling branches of Sunni Islam we see today, so it would have looked a great deal more hierarchical then)

5. Since Hitler wanted a united, hierarchical faith for his Germany, was born a Catholic, had his power base in Catholic South Germany and Austria, planned to dominate Italy into junior partner status, favored dramatic, baroque ceremonies and architecture, and liked to think of his Reich as the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire, I strongly, strongly suspect that his long-term goal on the religious front was to bring the Papacy under his thumb and unite Germany and Europe under a Nazified Catholic Church. He may have created a Caliphate too that took orders from him, but I almost suspect he might have gone full crusader and tried to get back the Holy Land for the glory of his religion (and I mean his religion).

Because of this, I really can't see him converting to Islam as it would contradict too many of his desires, despite his sympathies for a faith that emphasizes the concentration of secular and religious power in a single individual.

Now, if you will excuse me, I need to go take a shower. My skin is crawling too much.
 
All of the above seems based on intuition and an assessment of what Hitler would think and do based on his personality. OTOh we also have, black on white, what he actually did say about the Catholic Church.
 

Wimble Toot

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Nazism is what you get when German Catholics decide the Vatican just isn't anti-Semitic enough

Nearly all the Nazis were lapsed Catholics, who derived their greatest level of support from German Protestants

Hitler had little interest in Islam, as he was already doing God's work.
 
Nazism is what you get when German Catholics decide the Vatican just isn't anti-Semitic enough

Nearly all the Nazis were lapsed Catholics, who derived their greatest level of support from German Protestants

Hitler had little interest in Islam, as he was already doing God's work.

It is inaccurate to call Hitler a Christian. He was Christian for pragmatic reasons only. Thus it isn't accurate to associate Nazism with any sort of Christianity. I would argue that Hitler's real religion was Nazism itself--other Nazis recognised this fact, and since political ideology can fill the role religion does in otherwise irreligious people, Hitler's real religion was Nazi ideology.
 

Wimble Toot

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It is inaccurate to call Hitler a Christian.

He believed in the Christian god, and the historical figure of Jesus. You can't separate Nazism from Christianity, much as conservative Christians and right-wingers might want to, much as left-wingers can't separate socialism from National Socialism.
 
He believed in the Christian god,

Maybe, if you use some extraordinarily peculiar definition of "believing". Don't look up the public statements, those are made with the listeners in his mind. look at his table talk:

Hitler said:
The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity. Christianity is a prototype of Bolshevism: the mobilisation by the Jew of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society.

and the historical figure of Jesus.

Er. He believed (here the word is just right) that Jesus was a fighter more than a sufferer, that he was a Galilean guerrilla leader who was trying to get rid of the Jewish occupation of his country (yes, not the Roman, the Jewish occupation), and that he, of course, wasn't a Jew. This is more or less as historical as believing in the historical three-dollar banknote.

You can't separate Nazism from Christianity, much as conservative Christians and right-wingers might want to, much as left-wingers can't separate socialism from National Socialism.

Well, if that's the standard. But thank you for letting us know your views.
 
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Look, Hitler, while not what you would call a practicing Catholic, did have a positive view of his childhood religion. According to Albert Speer, he was disgusted by Himmler's neo-Paganism and actually tried to talk Goering and Gobbels out of their anti-clericalism.

Speer did go on to say that Hitler did have a good opinion on the head of the United church of Prussia at the time, and would have been fine setting him up as head of a unified German Christian church, but wasn't in a good position to do that.

Based on this, the aforementioned positive relations he had with Islamic leaders, and what is known about Hitler's psychology, I think that the following conclusions can be drawn:

1. As disturbing as it sounds, Adolf Hitler believed in God.

2. As even more deeply disturbing as it sounds, Hitler believed he was doing the will of God in uniting the people under his rule and weeding out the weak and evil (and I don't even want to think about what toxic brew of Christian theology, Nietzschian philosophy, Wagnerian opera, German nationalism, and plain old Anti-Semitism he drew that from)

3. Hitler had a good understanding of the power of religion and spirituality in people's lives, and how that could be used to motivate them (this is the master of pathos we are talking about here, and you really can't argue that there wasn't a cultivated religious aspect to his rallies)

4. Hitler had an overpowering urge to unite anything and everything he touched into a hierarchy overseen by a powerful leader. Dissent was intolerable to him, and control was paramount. Based on this, I suspect (but cannot prove) that he felt most attracted to Catholicism and Islam because of their strict hierarchical structures (remember now that the Ottoman Caliphate had only collapsed some 20 years prior, and none of the successor states had yet built up their own factions into the sort of jostling branches of Sunni Islam we see today, so it would have looked a great deal more hierarchical then)

5. Since Hitler wanted a united, hierarchical faith for his Germany, was born a Catholic, had his power base in Catholic South Germany and Austria, planned to dominate Italy into junior partner status, favored dramatic, baroque ceremonies and architecture, and liked to think of his Reich as the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire, I strongly, strongly suspect that his long-term goal on the religious front was to bring the Papacy under his thumb and unite Germany and Europe under a Nazified Catholic Church. He may have created a Caliphate too that took orders from him, but I almost suspect he might have gone full crusader and tried to get back the Holy Land for the glory of his religion (and I mean his religion).

Because of this, I really can't see him converting to Islam as it would contradict too many of his desires, despite his sympathies for a faith that emphasizes the concentration of secular and religious power in a single individual.

Now, if you will excuse me, I need to go take a shower. My skin is crawling too much.
Damn right, and...Islam is a religion of peace...so, no fit there with killing Jews.
 
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