Hillary wins in 2016

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That would set a very bad precedent leading to impeachment whenever the White House was opposite the parties of the House and Senate. I doubt they'd have a 2/3 majority though. And I don't think they'd have a case.
 

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Probably not a majority but with the opposing candidates crowds chanting "lock her up"? Anything from Tripoli to email server could be used as an excuse. The point about impeachment isn't to remove the president but make it difficult for them to govern. See Bill Clinton.
 
I think Republicans would have impeached in 2019, after spending two years conjuring up a case.

Supreme Court would have stuck at 8, then 7 members. With a 4-3 majority, gerrymandering gets killed off, but the state legislatures ignore the Court's rulings, Alabama even goes so far as to declare the court unconstitutional.

Hillary fatigue happens as deadlock and partisan gridlock gets intense, but without the atrocities to fire up the liberal base, Dems take a huge beating in the 2018 midterms. Senate is 57 Republicans, House is about 250 Republicans. Hillary does not get a primary challenge in 2020. AOC is still a bartender.

The economy remains fairly strong, without Trump's misadventures it's somewhat stronger than OTL. There are 20 Republican candidates in 2020- Mark Meadows, Marco Rubio, and Scott Walker are the current frontrunners.

Despite all this, Hillary is having the wagons circled around her by Dems, as most have the view that she's the only thing holding back the apocalypse, and if they can hold on in 2020, new districts might give them a fighting chance. Hillary isn't that down in the polls either, as she's getting a bump from the failed impeachment and good economy.
 
With a Republican House and Senate? Straight to impeachment I would imagine.

Probably not a majority but with the opposing candidates crowds chanting "lock her up"? Anything from Tripoli to email server could be used as an excuse. The point about impeachment isn't to remove the president but make it difficult for them to govern. See Bill Clinton.
I think Republicans would have impeached in 2019, after spending two years conjuring up a case.

Supreme Court would have stuck at 8, then 7 members. With a 4-3 majority, gerrymandering gets killed off, but the state legislatures ignore the Court's rulings, Alabama even goes so far as to declare the court unconstitutional.

Hillary fatigue happens as deadlock and partisan gridlock gets intense, but without the atrocities to fire up the liberal base, Dems take a huge beating in the 2018 midterms. Senate is 57 Republicans, House is about 250 Republicans. Hillary does not get a primary challenge in 2020. AOC is still a bartender.

The economy remains fairly strong, without Trump's misadventures it's somewhat stronger than OTL. There are 20 Republican candidates in 2020- Mark Meadows, Marco Rubio, and Scott Walker are the current frontrunners.

Despite all this, Hillary is having the wagons circled around her by Dems, as most have the view that she's the only thing holding back the apocalypse, and if they can hold on in 2020, new districts might give them a fighting chance. Hillary isn't that down in the polls either, as she's getting a bump from the failed impeachment and good economy.

No, Hillary wouldn't have been impeached, there really isn't anything that she could be accused of to be impeached. Not even McConnell is that delusional. It's pretty hard to impeach a President and, even if the House impeached her, there would be no way to get a two thirds majority in the Senate to convict her. In addition, the Republicans still remember the backlash that they got over the impeachment of Bill Clinton.
 
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I think the Democrats would probably take the senate if Hillary wins, flipping the close seats of PA, WI, and MO. You could throw NC in their if she scores a wide enough victory. I think the political climate will be about as toxic, if not moreso. Impeachment will be reversed, with Republicans lining up and Democrats firmly opposing it. The email investigations would continue to drag on, and Clinton would be at lackluster approvals. 2018 is a wipeout for the Democrats, with the Republicans getting a 250+ majority in the house and probably a 60+ supermajority (NV, AZ, OH, MT, WV, VA, MI, NJ, WI, MN-Special, PA, and perhaps NM or CT go R). She’s a lame duck until 2020, when she loses to whoever the Republican nominee is, which could be Haley, Pence, Cotton, Rubio, Cruz, or even Trump.
 

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In addition, the Republicans still remember the backlash that they got over the impeachment of Bill Clinton.

That would be the backlash that lost them one seat in the House and got a Republican elected President. They did lose 4 seats in the Senate that is true but hardly an unforgettable backlash??
 
I think Republicans would have impeached in 2019, after spending two years conjuring up a case.

Supreme Court would have stuck at 8, then 7 members. With a 4-3 majority, gerrymandering gets killed off, but the state legislatures ignore the Court's rulings, Alabama even goes so far as to declare the court unconstitutional.

Hillary fatigue happens as deadlock and partisan gridlock gets intense, but without the atrocities to fire up the liberal base, Dems take a huge beating in the 2018 midterms. Senate is 57 Republicans, House is about 250 Republicans. Hillary does not get a primary challenge in 2020. AOC is still a bartender.

The economy remains fairly strong, without Trump's misadventures it's somewhat stronger than OTL. There are 20 Republican candidates in 2020- Mark Meadows, Marco Rubio, and Scott Walker are the current frontrunners.

Despite all this, Hillary is having the wagons circled around her by Dems, as most have the view that she's the only thing holding back the apocalypse, and if they can hold on in 2020, new districts might give them a fighting chance. Hillary isn't that down in the polls either, as she's getting a bump from the failed impeachment and good economy.

Send this thread to Chat and turn this into a dystopia.
 
I think the right wing would be much stronger then it is now with someone to rally against.

Any organized political movement will rally against whomever or whatever is available for it to do so. If Homer Simpson became President as a Democrat, the GOP could just as easily make him the enemy.

And since we’re still not in Chat, let’s just leave it at that.
 
I think the right wing would be much stronger then it is now with someone to rally against.
Do you mean the far-right or the "mainstream conservativism"? I can hardly imagine that the Alt Right could exploit a Hillary Clinton Presidency. And the far-right "mainstream conservativism" (ie FOX News) will find always a target to rally against: Muslims, Leftists, Immigrants. Take your favorite or even mix them (ie Ilhan Omar).

What I can imagine is that she get's primaried by Bernie Sanders in 2020 if the approaching OTL recession would happen ITTL. But that's the point where this topic goes full Current Politics.
 
Please move this to Chat.

We're talking about an election that was less than three years ago and a term that would not be over yet. And of course about comparisons to the current administration. How is this not current politics?
 
That would be the backlash that lost them one seat in the House and got a Republican elected President. They did lose 4 seats in the Senate that is true but hardly an unforgettable backlash??

I'm talking about the 1998 midterms, they did have some losses in the House, as backlash.
As for the 2000 Presidential election, Al Gore, actually, lost because he distanced himself from Bill Clinton and didn't have him campaign for him.
 
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