War in Syria, more direct confrontation with Russia I'd imagine.Had Hillary Clinton won in 2008, what exactly would she have done differently from Obama?
Exactly how involved would Hillary Clinton be in Syria? A full-on ground invasion a-la Iraq?War in Syria, more direct confrontation with Russia I'd imagine.
Whatever she could get through congress, probably no fly zone, stand up to Russia on involvement, perhaps greater ground presence, but still less than Iraq invasion.Exactly how involved would Hillary Clinton be in Syria? A full-on ground invasion a-la Iraq?
OK; also, though, just how much of a difference would this make?Whatever she could get through congress, probably no fly zone, stand up to Russia on involvement, perhaps greater ground presence, but still less than Iraq invasion.
I think it is impossible to say; if there is one thing we know about Syria, it is a clusterfuck.OK; also, though, just how much of a difference would this make?
Any guesses, though? I mean, surely the opposition's position would be at least somewhat stronger in this TL.I think it is impossible to say; if there is one thing we know about Syria, it is a clusterfuck.
Maybe without air support Assad falls, Iran gets pissed, Russia gets pissed, and the middle east turns into a major shit show; the Dems get wiped out in 2016 and we have an even bigger GOP nightmare take over.Any guesses, though? I mean, surely the opposition's position would be at least somewhat stronger in this TL.
So, would ISIS capture Damascus in this TL?Maybe without air support Assad falls, Iran gets pissed, Russia gets pissed, and the middle east turns into a major shit show; the Dems get wiped out in 2016 and we have an even bigger GOP nightmare take over.
Again who knows. It's not guaranteed; maybe we'd have nuclear war because Russia gets involved and challenges the no fly zone?So, would ISIS capture Damascus in this TL?
and negotiate it away for Congress. The GOP will not pass it and neither with the 60th vote (and probably the 9 other Blue Dogs) Joe Lieberman. Unless she nukes the filibuster, which she probably won't because most Senate Dems won't go along including majority leader Reid, then she'll have to dump it like Obama.Since she first proposed it, could she keep the public option
Would Joe Lieberman still endorse John McCain in 2008 in this TL, though?and negotiate it away for Congress. The GOP will not pass it and neither with the 60th vote (and probably the 9 other Blue Dogs) Joe Lieberman. Unless she nukes the filibuster, which she probably won't because most Senate Dems won't go along including majority leader Reid, then she'll have to dump it like Obama.
Why not? He was really a DINO anyway.Would Joe Lieberman still endorse John McCain in 2008 in this TL, though?
I don't see Damascus ever falling to the "moderate opposition" or ISIS. I think even with an HRC president you get that. I mean honestly I can her responding in a bigger air campaign, more special forces people but do any of you see any kind of support (outside of Sens. McCain and Graham) for the storming ashore of the 2nd Marine Division?So, would ISIS capture Damascus in this TL?
Yeah for sure. John is a warrior, so was Joe.Would Joe Lieberman still endorse John McCain in 2008 in this TL, though?
Whatever she could get through congress, probably no fly zone, stand up to Russia on involvement, perhaps greater ground presence, but still less than Iraq invasion.
Libya and Iran as well as Syria.I'm going to disagree on this. I can easily see her going in as deeply as in Iraq, confrontation with the Russians has been a hallmark of the Clinton foreign policy since they took office. The Cold War restarted, (worse than now) with the possibility of direct Russian/Nato confrontations in former Soviet states (Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine) and enough Russian bitterness to last two generations. Whatever his faults, I honestly believe she would have made things much worse domestically than Pres. Obama ever did. He was capable of nuance and negotiation, she isn't.
I was trying to be charitable, but I don't think you're wrong.I'm going to disagree on this. I can easily see her going in as deeply as in Iraq, confrontation with the Russians has been a hallmark of the Clinton foreign policy since they took office. The Cold War restarted, (worse than now) with the possibility of direct Russian/Nato confrontations in former Soviet states (Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine) and enough Russian bitterness to last two generations. Whatever his faults, I honestly believe she would have made things much worse domestically than Pres. Obama ever did. He was capable of nuance and negotiation, she isn't.