Hillary Clinton Wins in 2008; What Does She Do Differently From Obama?

CaliGuy

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Whatever she could get through congress, probably no fly zone, stand up to Russia on involvement, perhaps greater ground presence, but still less than Iraq invasion.
OK; also, though, just how much of a difference would this make?
 

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Any guesses, though? I mean, surely the opposition's position would be at least somewhat stronger in this TL.
Maybe without air support Assad falls, Iran gets pissed, Russia gets pissed, and the middle east turns into a major shit show; the Dems get wiped out in 2016 and we have an even bigger GOP nightmare take over.
 

CaliGuy

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Maybe without air support Assad falls, Iran gets pissed, Russia gets pissed, and the middle east turns into a major shit show; the Dems get wiped out in 2016 and we have an even bigger GOP nightmare take over.
So, would ISIS capture Damascus in this TL?
 
Domestically she's probably pretty similar. There might be some slight differences with the ACA, but overall it doesn't change that much. Foreign policy would be slightly more aggressive.

If Trump still runs in 2016, then Obama destroys him if he decides to run as well.
 

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Since she first proposed it, could she keep the public option
and negotiate it away for Congress. The GOP will not pass it and neither with the 60th vote (and probably the 9 other Blue Dogs) Joe Lieberman. Unless she nukes the filibuster, which she probably won't because most Senate Dems won't go along including majority leader Reid, then she'll have to dump it like Obama.
 

CaliGuy

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and negotiate it away for Congress. The GOP will not pass it and neither with the 60th vote (and probably the 9 other Blue Dogs) Joe Lieberman. Unless she nukes the filibuster, which she probably won't because most Senate Dems won't go along including majority leader Reid, then she'll have to dump it like Obama.
Would Joe Lieberman still endorse John McCain in 2008 in this TL, though?
 

EMTSATX

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So, would ISIS capture Damascus in this TL?
I don't see Damascus ever falling to the "moderate opposition" or ISIS. I think even with an HRC president you get that. I mean honestly I can her responding in a bigger air campaign, more special forces people but do any of you see any kind of support (outside of Sens. McCain and Graham) for the storming ashore of the 2nd Marine Division?

Had she tried that it might have made some pretty strange alliances. Can you see the Senate debate where John McCain calls her a "brave patriot" and Elizabeth Warren denounces her?
 
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EMTSATX

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Would Joe Lieberman still endorse John McCain in 2008 in this TL, though?
Yeah for sure. John is a warrior, so was Joe.

As someone who really wishes that a single payer system was in place, I would of happily taken her President in either 08 or 16 and all that would have brought (speaking as a Republican.) But had we gotten that, she could have appointed 9 new members to the court for all I care.
 
Whatever she could get through congress, probably no fly zone, stand up to Russia on involvement, perhaps greater ground presence, but still less than Iraq invasion.

I'm going to disagree on this. I can easily see her going in as deeply as in Iraq, confrontation with the Russians has been a hallmark of the Clinton foreign policy since they took office. The Cold War restarted, (worse than now) with the possibility of direct Russian/Nato confrontations in former Soviet states (Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine) and enough Russian bitterness to last two generations. Whatever his faults, I honestly believe she would have made things much worse domestically than Pres. Obama ever did. He was capable of nuance and negotiation, she isn't.
 
I'm going to disagree on this. I can easily see her going in as deeply as in Iraq, confrontation with the Russians has been a hallmark of the Clinton foreign policy since they took office. The Cold War restarted, (worse than now) with the possibility of direct Russian/Nato confrontations in former Soviet states (Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine) and enough Russian bitterness to last two generations. Whatever his faults, I honestly believe she would have made things much worse domestically than Pres. Obama ever did. He was capable of nuance and negotiation, she isn't.
Libya and Iran as well as Syria.
 

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I'm going to disagree on this. I can easily see her going in as deeply as in Iraq, confrontation with the Russians has been a hallmark of the Clinton foreign policy since they took office. The Cold War restarted, (worse than now) with the possibility of direct Russian/Nato confrontations in former Soviet states (Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine) and enough Russian bitterness to last two generations. Whatever his faults, I honestly believe she would have made things much worse domestically than Pres. Obama ever did. He was capable of nuance and negotiation, she isn't.
I was trying to be charitable, but I don't think you're wrong.
 
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