High African Population in Germany?

With a POD whenever have at least 20% of the German population be black Africans by 1945.
 
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With a POD no earlier than 1800 have at least 20% of the German population be black Africans.
thats difficult, mainly because German's didn't use many slaves and after 1800 the slave trade dropped, germany industrialized and used its own population to fuel its economic growth.

I'm really not sure how to do this during the 1800s, might not be possible.
 
Indeed, this seems ASB because Germany never had much engagement with Africa. It's much easier to imagine France or the UK with a 20% black population. The easiest POD is something to do with WWII. Perhaps Germany is massively depopulated, as the result of a Morgenthau-type postwar arrangement, and it is necessary to import a huge number of laborers. By chance, these laborers are sourced from Africa, say Namibia. In the subsequent decades, they multiply and become a major part of the population.
 
Indeed, this seems ASB because Germany never had much engagement with Africa. It's much easier to imagine France or the UK with a 20% black population. The easiest POD is something to do with WWII. Perhaps Germany is massively depopulated, as the result of a Morgenthau-type postwar arrangement, and it is necessary to import a huge number of laborers. By chance, these laborers are sourced from Africa, say Namibia. In the subsequent decades, they multiply and become a major part of the population.
thats the only thing I can think of that is realistic in any sense.
 
Germany somehow unfies in ca.1400 (or more the HRE).

The nation is part of the first colonial powers like Spain/England/France but focuses on Africa.

Somehow in 1600 a massive plague or a thirty years wars equivalent drains the Fatherland from much population. For some random reasons many black people are moved to Germany to make up for the losses. And two hundred years later.....

Bit trashy, but nevertheless....:D
 
While the Turkish population of Germany does not nearly approach 20%, finding some way to substitute African gastarbeiter for Turkish gastarbeiter might work.
 
Or, the ottomans decide to take over east africa, breaking thru the ethiopians and somalis shouldn't be too hard. After that they can easily control the swahili coastline.

Or just buy the slaves, in the millions.

Then equip them with spears and and tell them to charge, the bayonet charge (vs musket) was the better weapon in the 1700s.
Wien is swept aside and ever larger hordes of speaequipped armies are rushed into the field to overwhelm all of europe.

In the end the conquering armies are left there to settle..


And voila, its full of "ugandans".
 
20% it too much. 10% is much easier: have Germany take French Guyana in 1871 and more colonisation of Africa. They win WW1 and Mittelafrika becomes reality. Decolonisation in Africa and Guyana however goes really bad and many blacks (mainly the upeer and middle class) flee to Germany. Later they are also followed by lower class people. Since they have Mittelafrika passports and Germany has a social democratic chancellor at the time there are all allowed to come in.
 

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For this, I think you'd need a medieval POD with Islamic Armies conquering Europe with the aid of African Troops. After the end of the medieval ages, I don't see it happening, sans WWIII.
 
20% it too much. 10% is much easier: have Germany take French Guyana in 1871 and more colonisation of Africa. They win WW1 and Mittelafrika becomes reality. Decolonisation in Africa and Guyana however goes really bad and many blacks (mainly the upeer and middle class) flee to Germany. Later they are also followed by lower class people. Since they have Mittelafrika passports and Germany has a social democratic chancellor at the time there are all allowed to come in.
Actually, speaking of French Guiana, does all of Germany need to be on the European continent? Because if they can have overseas departments like the French this seems comparatively easy. (Tanganyika as a German Algeria? Maybe the Dutch keep their South African territories and join in German unification?)
 
20% it too much. 10% is much easier: have Germany take French Guyana in 1871 and more colonisation of Africa. They win WW1 and Mittelafrika becomes reality. Decolonisation in Africa and Guyana however goes really bad and many blacks (mainly the upeer and middle class) flee to Germany. Later they are also followed by lower class people. Since they have Mittelafrika passports and Germany has a social democratic chancellor at the time there are all allowed to come in.

I choose this idea, but what else changes?
 
20% it too much. 10% is much easier
That corresponds to a bit lower than the percentage of black people in the US, for comparison.

have Germany take French Guyana in 1871 and more colonisation of Africa. They win WW1 and Mittelafrika becomes reality. Decolonisation in Africa and Guyana however goes really bad and many blacks (mainly the upeer and middle class) flee to Germany. Later they are also followed by lower class people. Since they have Mittelafrika passports and Germany has a social democratic chancellor at the time there are all allowed to come in.
I don't know what kind of perception you have of social democracy, but it would take quite a bit more for that scenario to work - we're talking about millions of people coming in during a presumably short period of time.
 
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