Dirk_Pitt
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Here's a scenario someone on another forum came up with and my response:
Here's my response:
Of course there were more points I could have made, but there you go.
Indeed. There was a political manouver that the German foreign minister done that might have brought mexico in a war vs America with German funding, to divert american funding away from the allied powers.
also what if america had enter the war on the side of the central powers, or even not entered at all.
Mine basically would have pitted the United States vs Britain, Germany and Japan. Britain had a Defensive pact with the Japanese dating back to the decade before World war 1. 1) A breakdown in Anglo-American Relations and 2) the fact that Germany pulled out of the Invasion of Poland, plus Hitler's actual liking of the UK and dislike of the US, 3) plus the US putting their money behind the wrong horse, Germany, leads to a poorly timed US Invasion of Canada to drive the British out leads to America being at war against Italy, the United Kingdom, Germany and Japan.
4) Japan drives the US out of the pacific trust islands and Hawaii, despite US efforts to militarise the region. 5) Japan also invades the Phillipines with British backing. 6) France and Britain remain at peace, as well as with Germany and Italy in the short term, but 7) France comes to America's aid in the pacific vs Japan. The Japanese overrun Indochina.
Russia invades Poland. This does bring the UK into war with russia. Germany also invades Poland, but stays peaceful with Russia, despite the Anglo-Soviet crisis occurring.
Here's my response:
1) Actually possible, but with a PoD post-WWI it would only create a neutral America in WWII, until FDR sets in motion the oil embargo for the Japanese invasion of China, thus setting the chain of events that led to Pearl Harbor.
2) This would NOT ease tensions between Nazi Germany and the Western Allies. Munich and the subsequent invasion of Czechoslovakia by Germany proved that Hitler could not be trusted. In fact the only reason why Chamberlain actually accepted Munich, despite popular belief, is that his advisors told him Britain needed more time to prepare for a war against Germany. Because of Munich the allies gained a year.
3) WHAT?! Under no circumstances would FDR's US ally with Hitler's Germany and NOWAY would the US be that stupid to find itself at war with the premier great powers of the world.
4) You've been reading too much Turtledove. Japan did not have the capability of invading Hawaii.
5) Which they did IOTL alone. You seem to have a talent for over estimating Japan's capabilities while at the same damn time also underestimating them. Truly a talent, a very confusing talent at that...
6) Why wouldn't they? There was NEVER any risk of a Anglo-French war in the 30s.
7) Why?! France was not interested in fighting a war after WWI and had little reason to fight a war in the Pacific where it had little to nothing to gain.
Sorry, but your scenario makes no sense and the closest approximation of it would require a pre-WWI PoD, preferably a pre-1900 PoD.
Of course there were more points I could have made, but there you go.