Heroic Age of Chemistry a generation earlier

OTL the development of chemistry proceeded at a pretty smooth pace throughout the 19th century. There were individual flashes of inspiration, like the benzene ring, but overall it was the work of thousands of chemists and researchers across Western Europe.

Could it have gone faster?

I think maybe it could have. OTL, the field was disproportionately German for much of the 19th century, and until the 1850s the Germans treated it as a prestige topic -- intellectually very respectable, but of limited practical value, a bit like astronomy or particle physics today. The number of chemistry professors and students at German universities was artificially kept rather low for a couple of generations.

Anyway, for whatever reason, let's say that [handwave] starting in the 1790s the field advances about 20% faster than iOTL. That means that by the early 1890s, chemistry is at roughly the level it was OTL in 1914. You have the Haber process, bakelite, pH, chromatography, coordination chemistry, a pretty good understanding of chemical kinetics, and a whole lot of organic chemistry. Nice, yes?

However! Let us [handwave] hold all non-chemical science constant, so that *1893 is advanced /only/ in chemistry. So, radioactivity is still a curiosity, nobody realizes that "cathode rays" are electrons, there's no nuclear model of the atom. There are no such thing as X-rays, nobody knows what Brownian motion is, and there's no oil drop experiment showing the mass of the electron. I think this has to break down at some point -- you probably couldn't have 1920s level chemistry without first having the physics of the 1900s -- but I think that up to ~1914, it could work.

Okay, so. We have a late Victorian / Edwardian period that's identical to ours, except that chemistry is one generation more advanced. What happens?


Let's resist the urge to overfocus on the Haber Process and its implications. Yes, war is going to be a bit more destructive. But there weren't a lot of major wars in the 1890s and early 1900s. Hard cheese for the Boers and the Boxers, perhaps, but otherwise no big changes.

Rather, what technological knock-ons (if any) do we see? And what social changes? We have very early plastics, better dyes, much better refining of oil. We have aspirin in the 1870s instead of the 1890s, and Salvarsan -- which for 30 years was the world's great antisyphilitic -- a bit before 1890 instead of in 1907. We get vitamins around 1890 instead of in the years before WWI. We get rayon and acetate a generation sooner, which means that by 1910 they're seriously competitive with natural fibers. Also, OTL the explosion of motion picture into a mass medium had to wait until cellulose acetate film was developed in 1910. TTL it may happen a few years faster.

What else?


Doug M.
 
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Well... a couple of thoughts.

-- Insulin treatment gets developed around 1910 or so. OTL, the discovery that this crucial substance was identical across all mammals had huge knock-on effects on biology. TTL that happens earlier.

-- Amphetamines may arrive on the scene early enough to be deployed en masse in WWI. That probably deserves a post of its own...

-- Bakelite is invented in the 1880s instead of in 1907. The Age of Plastics starts a generation early as bakelites get deployed en masse in the early 1900s. This is a major shot in the arm to the young electrical industry; it's nearly forgotten today, but for 30 years bakelite was the substance of choice for electrical appliances of all kinds. By modern standards it was inconveniently brittle and heavy, but it was cheap, did not rot or corrode, could be molded into any shape, and was incredibly resistant to both electricity and heat. OTL it was used for everything from radio housings to pipestems to machine gun barrels, so there would be plenty of technological and social knock-ons.

-- I'm not sure if we get high-quality synthetic rubbers in this TL. The technology will be there, but OTL the key discoveries were stimulated by a collapse in the supply of natural rubber, and a corresponding spike in the price, in the 1920s. But assuming there's still a WWI, the demand will be there -- so we get the invention of neoprene in 1915 instead of 1928 or so.


Doug M.
 

Hnau

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Interesting. There might not be many military applications for WWI, but by the time WWII rolls around...
 
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You could try having Cavendish's work get published but to have that help much you need an early enough POD that's cause all kinds of butterflies.
 

altamiro

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The main implication of the Haber process isn't military, it's fertilizers. The nitrogen binding is going to lead to an explosion in agricultural production and food prices will fall significantly.
 
The main implication of the Haber process isn't military, it's fertilizers. The nitrogen binding is going to lead to an explosion in agricultural production and food prices will fall significantly.

Indeed, the main reason why it always gets brought up in relation to WWI was due to the nitrate shortages Germany was suffering with as a result of the blockade.
 
You'll get vitalism disproved (in chemistry) somewhat earlier. Not sure if that would mean much for philosophy.
But fertilizer industry, vitamins - hell, you'll get sulfonamides by 1900! That will mean that countries that have both the technology and industry to use the technology will get huge population boom before demographic transition kicks in.
 
You'll get vitalism disproved (in chemistry) somewhat earlier. Not sure if that would mean much for philosophy.
But fertilizer industry, vitamins - hell, you'll get sulfonamides by 1900! That will mean that countries that have both the technology and industry to use the technology will get huge population boom before demographic transition kicks in.

That's probably the single hugest effect of the POD. It will scramble the Great Power struggle, have huge economic effects, probably keep colonialism going a little longer, maybe a lot longer in some places, will have big knock-on effects on invention (more minds = more ideas). Golly.
 
That's probably the single hugest effect of the POD. It will scramble the Great Power struggle, have huge economic effects, probably keep colonialism going a little longer, maybe a lot longer in some places, will have big knock-on effects on invention (more minds = more ideas). Golly.
I begin to get the feeling that this could devolve into something like a white supremacist's wet dream: there are much more western Europeans and somewhat less... well, everybody else.
A horrible thought: poison gas. Against "native uprisings". Or just to "cleanse the land from subhuman peoples of wild Asia/Africa/insert needed".
Or poison gas against _worker_ uprisings.
Drugs, including chemically purified of modified drugs, galore. (Heroin 1874 -> ~1860, amphetamine 1887 -> 1870, metamphetamine 1894/1919 -> 1880/1900, etc.)
Chemipunk?
 
I begin to get the feeling that this could devolve into something like a white supremacist's wet dream: there are much more western Europeans and somewhat less... well, everybody else.
A horrible thought: poison gas. Against "native uprisings". Or just to "cleanse the land from subhuman peoples of wild Asia/Africa/insert needed".
Or poison gas against _worker_ uprisings.
Drugs, including chemically purified of modified drugs, galore. (Heroin 1874 -> ~1860, amphetamine 1887 -> 1870, metamphetamine 1894/1919 -> 1880/1900, etc.)
Chemipunk?

I was thinking it would be a colonialist wet-dream, because the more controlled an area is, the better medicine and agriculture it has. But increased native populations may mean earlier rebellions too.
 
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