Henry VIII and Stuart Ascention

Let's suppose that Henry VIII didn't feel the need for a divorce, but poor Catherine died, leaving him with only Mary as a child. He marries Anne Boylen and they have a girl named Elizabeth (who is almost a certainly different person than OTL Elizabeth I thanks to the timeline change, but I don't see why that's a bad name for his second girl) and finds her cheating on him and she meets an ax, if you get the drift. He meets Jane Seymour who gives him twins, a boy (Edward?) and a girl (Jane?). The couple die happy.

Unfortunately for the Tudors, Edward and Mary die young, leaving short reigns. Elizabeth is similar to OTL one, but obviously not anti-Catholic and... lives long but dies with no children. During her reign, the budget is balanced and NA colonies are set up. Jane is the next queen, but while married and old seemingly barren.

Meanwhile, Mary, Queen of Scots and heir presumptive marries an Archduke of Austria (instead of her OTL marriage). Do the Calvanists rebel? Well, how does the Earls take it? Having a Scottish Queen followed by an Austrian King can't be that appetizing. Would the Earls pull off an early Glorious Revolution?
 
Let's suppose that Henry VIII didn't feel the need for a divorce, but poor Catherine died, leaving him with only Mary as a child. He marries Anne Boylen and they have a girl named Elizabeth (who is almost a certainly different person than OTL Elizabeth I thanks to the timeline change, but I don't see why that's a bad name for his second girl) and finds her cheating on him and she meets an ax, if you get the drift. He meets Jane Seymour who gives him twins, a boy (Edward?) and a girl (Jane?). The couple die happy.

Unfortunately for the Tudors, Edward and Mary die young, leaving short reigns. Elizabeth is similar to OTL one, but obviously not anti-Catholic and... lives long but dies with no children. During her reign, the budget is balanced and NA colonies are set up. Jane is the next queen, but while married and old seemingly barren.

Meanwhile, Mary, Queen of Scots and heir presumptive marries an Archduke of Austria (instead of her OTL marriage). Do the Calvanists rebel? Well, how does the Earls take it? Having a Scottish Queen followed by an Austrian King can't be that appetizing. Would the Earls pull off an early Glorious Revolution?

It would be an interesting scenario. Although, if we go according to the OTL final Act of Succession in Henry's reign, the succession ran Edward>Mary>Elizabeth. Elizabeth and Mary were technically bastards (in Mary's case technically, although no-one actually accepted it; and in Elizabeth's case, it was a shadowy area). Here, most likely, if Katherine is dead by the time he marries Anne Boleyn, Mary stays in the succession. Anne's execution/trial was stage-managed start to finish (whether by Henry, Cromwell, whoever), but if she gets executed on the same charges as OTL, Liz isn't staying in the succession. Especially if her paternity is dubious. So an alt-Third Succession Act probably looks Edward>Mary>Jane. Elizabeth might/might not get into the succession (my money's on not).

Now, as to Mary Stuart (who let's admit, if Katherine of Aragon dies ahead of schedule, has as much chance of being the OTL character as a Scottish Elizabeth) marrying an Austrian archduke, that's only going to happen in one of 2 scenarios: a) Mary isn't sent to France as a child and grows up to be more French than Scots; or b) the English queen is off the table (you say Jane is already married, to who, and when?). As to Mary marrying an Austrian archduke, @Olena explored the possibility.
 
Ok so an alt Secession act looks like Edward > Mary > Jane (I can't figure out which nobleman is going to marry this princess yet, I just assume some son of an earl, or maybe into the family of Northumbria)

Now since Katherine of Aragon died ahead of schedule, I'm not sure how this affects Mary Stuart. What do you mean "The English Queen if off the table"?
 
I wonder how the Earls will react with Queen Jane's ascension when she doesn't produce issue, leaving Mary Queen of Scots as hier presumptive.

There IS precedent for unusual succession and foreshadowing. In the past, John succeeded Richard when the rightful heir was Arthur. Richard was like "Oh crap, if Arthur succeds me, Phillipe might take Normandy away from my family I can't have that. Everyone, ignore succession law and make John the King and that will not horribly backfire." In the future William III ascended based on "Well, I'm not a Catholic." So if the Earls really don't want Mary, they can try to convince Queen Jane to "will" the Kingdom to another relative. If the earls don't mind... well then we're fine I guess.
 
Oh, this creates the Hannover situation ahead of schedule and the (Admittedly Protestant) earls didn't like being tied to Hannover. While in this case the Earls are catholic.

http://www.alternatehistory.com/for...strian-succession.420340/page-2#post-15142355

Apparently the British had this idea to make Hannover bigger so that it wouldn't need their protection every war... of coruse that was like trying to skin a bear before killing it considering the Pragmatic Allies were getting beaten on the field that war.
 
Ok so an alt Secession act looks like Edward > Mary > Jane (I can't figure out which nobleman is going to marry this princess yet, I just assume some son of an earl, or maybe into the family of Northumbria)

Now since Katherine of Aragon died ahead of schedule, I'm not sure how this affects Mary Stuart. What do you mean "The English Queen if off the table"?

Well, Mary Tudor doesn't get bastardized here, because she doesn't have her mother to sway her. Which means Henry VIII likely marries Mary off as soon as he has a son, if not sooner. And Anne Boleyn being pro-French means that she's going to want Mary out of England. Where? Well, a French prince might be too good for her [Mary], and Anne wants one for her own daughter, so someone suggested by the French king - maybe the king of Scots. Now, if Mary Tudor marries James V, who is to say that in this scenario, Mary, Queen of Scots isn't her daughter?

By the English queen being off the table, I meant that she is somehow unavailable to the Habsburgs. Like she's married already, for instance. Because, unless England's queen isn't available, England's a far better prize than Scotland.
 
I wonder how the Earls will react with Queen Jane's ascension when she doesn't produce issue, leaving Mary Queen of Scots as hier presumptive.

There IS precedent for unusual succession and foreshadowing. In the past, John succeeded Richard when the rightful heir was Arthur. Richard was like "Oh crap, if Arthur succeds me, Phillipe might take Normandy away from my family I can't have that. Everyone, ignore succession law and make John the King and that will not horribly backfire." In the future William III ascended based on "Well, I'm not a Catholic." So if the Earls really don't want Mary, they can try to convince Queen Jane to "will" the Kingdom to another relative. If the earls don't mind... well then we're fine I guess.

Yeah, no. The kingdom is not personal property of the monarch (at least that's my understanding of it), so he/she can't just will it to whomever. Edward VI tried that and we got the Lady Jane Grey-9 Days Queen Debacle. Now, Henry VIII did do it - three times - but all of which was approved by parliament. However, OTL when Elizabeth died, the Third Succession Act which specified Edward>Mary>Elizabeth>Frances Brandon>her kids>Elinor Brandon>her kids>the Stewarts went out the window. They crowned James (although admittedly, all the other heirs were either of dubious legitimacy (Frances Brandon's line), or female (Elinor Brandon's line)). If Elizabeth had died in the 1580s, when Mary Stuart was still alive, it might've gone differently.

As to Mary's marriage, assuming she doesn't get deposed like OTL, she probably won't until she bears a kid/or makes faux pas as grand as she did OTL. If she just uses her head instead of being ruled by her emotions, she might be less of a disaster.
 
If Mary Queen of Scots is a daughter of Mary Tudor and James V, she can also be considered illegitemate in the catholic church due to her being a child of a 1st cousin union..
 
If Mary Queen of Scots is a daughter of Mary Tudor and James V, she can also be considered illegitemate in the catholic church due to her being a child of a 1st cousin union..

You forget, if there's no Great Matter to cause Henry to break with Rome (although, I suspect that he might do so (as François I did with the Concordat of Bologna rather than full-blown break with Rome)), Mary Tudor marrying her Scots cousin (a long cherished dream of his mother) will most likely be authorized with the proper dispensations from Rome.

OTOH, removing Katherine of Aragon's trial etc means that when Henry wants to get rid of Annie, he can basically play that card (forbidden degrees of affinity), unless a papal dispensation had showed up for it (doubtful, to my knowledge Edward IV's marriage had had no such dispensation, although if he and Elizabeth Wydeville were related, it was beyond 7-degrees (I think), unless Jacquetta was still considered as being related to Ned through her first marriage to Bedford?), and Richard III's Neville marriage they issued a dispensation, but they didn't cross the ts and dot the i's, since AFAIK it granted the dispensation by virtue of Anne-Richard being cousins, not of them being siblings(-in-law).
 
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