Henry VI dies early

Something I've been pondering as of late is what would've happened if in 1422, after both his father and grandfather had died, Henry VI himself just an infant had died?

Now his uncle John, Duke of Bedford would be King, but what happens in regards to the Treaty of Troyes, the war in France, and the alliance with Burgundy? Who might John marry?
 
Something I've been pondering as of late is what would've happened if in 1422, after both his father and grandfather had died, Henry VI himself just an infant had died?

Now his uncle John, Duke of Bedford would be King, but what happens in regards to the Treaty of Troyes, the war in France, and the alliance with Burgundy? Who might John marry?

I honestly don't know much about Bedford but some cursory reading seems to suggest that he would have been a pretty capable king. He seems to have been a relatively skilled general judging by his victory at Verneuil where he was outnumbered but still decisively defeated the French and Scottish army. Maybe if Bedford could show that he continue England's winning streak then the Burgundians wouldn't switch sides at Arras and this could lead to a victory in the HYW.

I honestly think that Henry VI dying at any point in his life earlier than 1471, preferably early on, would have left England in a much better position. I mean even if Bedford loses the HYW he might succeed in holding on to Normandy or at least not butchering everything in England.
 
Bedford was to marry Anne, daughter of John the Fearless. Anyway, it doesnt matter who he marries, he seemed to be incapable of having sons. That his second wife, Jacquetta of Luxembourg, went on to have more than a dozen children in her second marriage, is quite telling about the issue.

The trouble having no children would be an interesting problem in the last stages of his rule.

PD: apparently, he had a daughter, born out of wedlock.
 
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I honestly don't know much about Bedford but some cursory reading seems to suggest that he would have been a pretty capable king. He seems to have been a relatively skilled general judging by his victory at Verneuil where he was outnumbered but still decisively defeated the French and Scottish army. Maybe if Bedford could show that he continue England's winning streak then the Burgundians wouldn't switch sides at Arras and this could lead to a victory in the HYW.

I honestly think that Henry VI dying at any point in his life earlier than 1471, preferably early on, would have left England in a much better position. I mean even if Bedford loses the HYW he might succeed in holding on to Normandy or at least not butchering everything in England.

Okay interesting, considering Philip Duke of Burgundy didn't really get along with Humphrey, John's brother, and he was in charge after John died in otl, John being King, and potentially surviving for longer could as you say lead to continued Burgundian support. As regards the Treaty of Troyes, would that be considered invalidated completely due to Henry VI now being dead?
 
Okay interesting, considering Philip Duke of Burgundy didn't really get along with Humphrey, John's brother, and he was in charge after John died in otl, John being King, and potentially surviving for longer could as you say lead to continued Burgundian support. As regards the Treaty of Troyes, would that be considered invalidated completely due to Henry VI now being dead?

Quite possibly. I honestly don't doubt that Charles would take any chance to try and prove it to be invalid because no one wants their son to be disinherited, especially not when their son is the Universal Spider.

Maybe continued Burgundian support. Maybe if John could prove that siding with England is a better bet for Burgundy than siding with France by winning a few decisive or major victories then he could keep Burgundian support. At the very least he may be able to avoid decisive English losses in France with much greater intelligence than Henry VI and not being controlled by Suffolk and Somerset who ended up surrendering certain territories in France.

he seemed to be incapable of having sons

He did have two illegitimate children during his life one of whom was a son so he wasn't completely incapable. But again just cursory reading so I don't know the ins and outs of it so there may be a question as to whether they were really his. Either way Humphrey of Gloucester doesn't seem like he would be a bad king even if Bedford were to die without a son to succeed him. Really as long as Henry doesn't become king I'm happy.
 
Okay some interesting points here. Could it have been simple bad luck that he didn't have children? Although Humphrey seemed to have that same issue
 
Quite possibly. I honestly don't doubt that Charles would take any chance to try and prove it to be invalid because no one wants their son to be disinherited, especially not when their son is the Universal Spider.

Maybe continued Burgundian support. Maybe if John could prove that siding with England is a better bet for Burgundy than siding with France by winning a few decisive or major victories then he could keep Burgundian support. At the very least he may be able to avoid decisive English losses in France with much greater intelligence than Henry VI and not being controlled by Suffolk and Somerset who ended up surrendering certain territories in France.



He did have two illegitimate children during his life one of whom was a son so he wasn't completely incapable. But again just cursory reading so I don't know the ins and outs of it so there may be a question as to whether they were really his. Either way Humphrey of Gloucester doesn't seem like he would be a bad king even if Bedford were to die without a son to succeed him. Really as long as Henry doesn't become king I'm happy.

He was married to Jacquetta only two years and nine to Anne so is also possible who Anne had trouble in getting pregnat and he was too often away from Jaquetta during their marriage
 
He was married to Jacquetta only two years and nine to Anne so is also possible who Anne had trouble in getting pregnat and he was too often away from Jaquetta during their marriage

Hmm interesting, is it possible that as King, John might actually take time to consolidate his hold over the throne through spending mre time with his wife.
 
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