Henry V of England Lives For 10 More Years

So Henry names two living sons Henry because . . .

I suspect he'd name a second son Edward (as a name with lots of good royal tradition) or John (after his - Henry V's that is - grandfather).

And why would the brother usurp the throne?

Or marry Margaret of Anjou?

Mad brother makes the perfect opportunity. It happens a lot. As for the name, it's just an example. Margaret of Anjou marriage is only a possibility.
 
In France:a long war of attrition, Joan comes along as OTL and faces (even) stronger English and then England loses most of its French lands. Maybe stronger Burgundy?
In England: If Henry V has more sons, Henry VI could have a strong Lancastrian brother that takes over while he's mad, defeats the Yorkists and could usurp the throne. This brother, let's call him Henry Lancaster, could even marry Margaret of Anjou but would probably have a better choice of wife. Then, maybe Margaret and Lancaster could go to war?

None of this makes any sense.
 
Henry VI's problem seems less mental illness and more a hollow skull. But that aside, just because her children with Owen Tudor were fine doesn't guarantee that her children with Henry V will be.

Its possible, but its not a given.


It's the way to bet though.

Afaik no member of Katherine's family, other than her father Charles VI, is known to have been mad. Nor are any of Henry V's ancestors. And as already noted only one of Katherine's children is known to have had any mental issues. So the odds are pretty good.
 
It's the way to bet though.

Afaik no member of Katherine's family, other than her father Charles VI, is known to have been mad. Nor are any of Henry V's ancestors. And as already noted only one of Katherine's children is known to have had any mental issues. So the odds are pretty good.

Fair enough, although "not mad" does not mean "able".
 
James III of Scotland had two legitimate sons called James, as well as an illegitimate son called James, all living at the same time.

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Interesting.

Though do we see many examples of mad kings being deposed by their brothers in this period, as the other oddity?
 
Fair enough, although "not mad" does not mean "able".

Henry VI took after Catherine's father mad King Charles.

It isn't unreasonable for another son of Henry V and Catherine of Valois to favour his father's side. Most if not all of Henry VI's close paternal relations were an improvement upon himself. And that includes his father and his brothers, Bolingbroke, John of Gaunt, etc. It's not a given, but it isn't terrible unlikely either that some of Henry V's and Catherine of Valois' children aren't like her father.
 
Henry VI took after Catherine's father mad King Charles.

It isn't unreasonable for another son of Henry V and Catherine of Valois to favour his father's side. Most if not all of Henry VI's close paternal relations were an improvement upon himself. And that includes his father and his brothers, Bolingbroke, John of Gaunt, etc. It's not a given, but it isn't terrible unlikely either that some of Henry V's and Catherine of Valois' children aren't like her father.

Again, unlike his (maternal) grandfather does not mean like his father or uncle Bedford (to pick my favorite member of the House of Lancaster).
 
And of course a full brother (or nephew) of Henry VI doesn't necessarily have to be a genius. He makes an important difference just by existing at all.

Assuming Henry still goes nuts, any such brother takes precedence over Richard of York for the position of Protector. If Duke Humphrey's experience is anything to go by, he probably also finds himself in conflict with the Queen, assuming the Anjou marriage isn't butterflied away.

Could we get an alternate WotR, with RoY in alliance with a Lancastrian Protector for control of a Lancastian King? Even OTL York took a long time to make his mind up about claiming the throne himself. Maybe TTL he never does. Could get quite interesting.
 
Is it possible that things could go worse for the English?

Maybe Henry loses a battle or just suffers bad luck and gets captured the ransom would be huge would the English just cut their losses and cede most of their gains apart from Normandy?

There was already many complaing at the cost of the war if it went badly dramatically instead of the slow attrition of OTL followed by a sudden and devastating collapse perhaps they'll grow tired quicker.
 
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