Henry the Young King becomes King in 1183

So, this thread spawned from another one that I did regarding the sons of Henry II.

The premise of this thread is this, instead of Henry the Young King dying in 1183, his father Henry II is the one who dies.

Now, as King, what does Henry III do? Would he be successful in divorcing his wife Margaret, and who might he marry as a replacement? Does he try to have a child with her again, what happens if she dies in childbirth?

Would the relationship between Henry and his brothers be quite strained, with the added onus of Philip II playing the fiddle as well?

I imagine the empire gets divided as such: Henry: England, Normandy. Richard: Aquitaine. Geoffrey: Brittany, John: Ireland? Would Henry get Maine, Anjou and Touraine as well?
 
What about another french princess Alys, Countess of the Vexin, the daughter of King Louis VII of France.

There is also Berengaria of Navarre who in otl married Richard but due to his crucades didn't father children with her.
Oh that would be quite good, and might well serve to piss of Richard, though would the rumours that Alys and his father had been playing hookey dissaude him or would he merely write them off? Berengaria would make a good marriage as well.

I would think that Geoffrey keeps Brittany. Richard gets Aquitaine and John gets Ireland. Henry III would keep the rest.

Would John be Lord of Ireland, or King of Ireland?
 
Probably, he tried to be a "Hands On" ruler. I can't see the Irish Lords being any less upset by that the the English ones OTL.
 
Probably, he tried to be a "Hands On" ruler. I can't see the Irish Lords being any less upset by that the the English ones OTL.

This is very true add in the cultural differences, and it's like to be worse.

I still don't understand why they had issues with hands on government, the English I mean aha. I can see Henry III touring his realms alot.
 
One interesting difference will be the Coat of Arms.
OTL Richard used variants of his father's (believed to be a golden lion rampant on red) before being inspired by John's 2 golden lion passants on red (which became associated with Normandy) and using the well known 3 (thus inspiring a single to represent Aquitaine).
TTL odds are whatever Henry III uses becomes the English Arms, John's leopards become associated with whatever territory he gets, Richard uses a version of the Pitou arms, and Geoffrey/Arthur use something else.
 
One interesting difference will be the Coat of Arms.
OTL Richard used variants of his father's (believed to be a golden lion rampant on red) before being inspired by John's 2 golden lion passants on red (which became associated with Normandy) and using the well known 3 (thus inspiring a single to represent Aquitaine).
TTL odds are whatever Henry III uses becomes the English Arms, John's leopards become associated with whatever territory he gets, Richard uses a version of the Pitou arms, and Geoffrey/Arthur use something else.
Ooh intriguing. Hmm for Henry would a lion and a dragon make sense? Especially if he tried to tie into Arthurian mythology?
 
Ooh intriguing. Hmm for Henry would a lion and a dragon make sense? Especially if he tried to tie into Arthurian mythology?
Not really no. Dragons were usually representing evil in Arthurian literature.
Henry would probably have a golden lion rampant on red. This may be added to or replaced depending what he does during his reign eg field of argent/gold crosses, lion holding a sword/spear, lion with forked tail.
 
Not really no. Dragons were usually representing evil in Arthurian literature.
Henry would probably have a golden lion rampant on red. This may be added to or replaced depending what he does during his reign eg field of argent/gold crosses, lion holding a sword/spear, lion with forked tail.
Ah this is true, and I quite like that, a golden lion rampant on red. Very kingly
 
I'd find it funny if Henry kept writing the metaphorical checks to Richard for his Crusades, even though Henry would have England and Normandy while Richard is in Aquitaine and shouldn't have access to England as a piggybank. Of course not to the point the treasury is in debt, but you know enough to throw some feasts and make some 3rd crusade gains.
 
I'd find it funny if Henry kept writing the metaphorical checks to Richard for his Crusades, even though Henry would have England and Normandy while Richard is in Aquitaine and shouldn't have access to England as a piggybank. Of course not to the point the treasury is in debt, but you know enough to throw some feasts and make some 3rd crusade gains.

Oh this is very true. I have this image in my head of Henry being very good with PR, and using his affability to win people over for you know crusading puproses.
 
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