True i suppose - does he have any children though or wife in this TL? i can't remember
Henry the Great.
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Charles was married to [SIZE=-1]Elisabeth von Nassau-Siegen, (not mentioned in the timeline) though she died in childbirth not giving him an heir. He was promised to a daughter of the French King should he succeed in becoming King of Scotland (by defeating Henry).
Henry Has 3 children 2 boys and a girl mentioned in the timeline.
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Thanks
few more questions;
Who old are they?
What are there names?
Are they betrothed to anyone?
Thanks
few more questions;
Who old are they?
What are there names?
Are they betrothed to anyone?
(1618) Henry and Maria’s first child a son James Alexander born.
(1621) Henry and Maria’s second child, a son Robert William born.
(1627) Henry and Maria’s third child, a daughter Christina Elizabeth born.
James is (1633) 15 and Henry is looking at various noble houses of Europe for a wife for him.
Robert is 12 and Christina is 6.
Henry also has a sister Elizabeth currently married to Frederick V of the Palatinate (deposed by the Spanish) She and her husband are currently living at Greenwich and are not best disposed towards Henry as he won't support any British involvement on the continent.
(1633 Sept) Charles army (now numbering only 4,000) dissolves as he is pushed out of Inverness by Fairfax’s troops leaving Charles with just a few loyal retainers as he attempts to flee around the loyalists by heading east to Elgin.
Many Scottish highland towns are now virtually depopulated as major reprisals of “traitors” to the crown begin. The men are used to rebuild towns, coastal defences or join the road crews, the women are indentured into domestic service. Many protest this treatment claiming they had no part in the troubles, but no-one wants to hear their pleas at this time. Henry offers the Towns to his Huguenot subjects and also various other protestant groups fleeing the Franco-Spanish war. Many accept, life is harsh in the north but they are hard working and industrious and very loyal to this British King. Their was some debate as to Henry’s right to do this in the English Parliament, however as this was Scotland and the land was forfeit to the crown there was little Parliament could do.
Henry’s eldest son James now accompanies Henry in all his dealings with Parliament and other influential men of Britain. Not as outgoing as Henry he nevertheless is developing into a promising young man of many talents.
Henry is also approached by Rabbi Menasseh ben Israel a Jew from Portugal and is persuaded after discussions with merchants clergymen and lawyers to allow those of the Jewish faith to settle in Britain after a gap of 343 years.
Henry convenes what became known as the Hampton conference to discuss the integration of Scotland, England and Wales into single governance. Scotland itself is still under direct rule by Cromwell acting as governor of Edinburgh (and hence all the lowlands) Many members of the Scottish Parliament had died in the pillaging of Edinburgh or were subsequently hunted down by Charles rebels leaving no legitimate group to restore to the rule of Scotland. Henry anticipating success asked the architect Inigo Jones to design a new British Parliament building with a circular debating chamber. He asks his friend John Pym to chair the debate and invites many men of influence to air their views.
France wins a major battle against the Spanish near Turin and proceeds to lay siege to the city. In Germany a battle outside of Euskirchen ends in a bloody draw.
British colonists in the New World now number some 100,000, though the average lifespan of a colonist is still only 35. Yet still there are many clamouring to travel to start a new life, even some of the Middle class are now considering the opportunities that North America and the Caribbean can provide. Most colony towns have self governing councils, with Henry selecting Governors for the Colonies as a whole. Virginia is still the most populated Colony, though New England with the inclusion of New Amsterdam is fast catching up.
Henry opens Hyde Park the first of his Royal parks to the public.
(1633 Oct) Charles is captured hiding in a crofters hut near Elgin, all his friends had deserted him at the last. He is bound as a common criminal and carted back to London.
There is a riot in Edinburgh as a mob tries to lynch Charles, Cromwell has it put down, and is later commended for the restraint he showed, still 23 people died in the ensuing violence as Charles was placed on a ship bound for London.
The French continue to siege Turin, though many are now suffering from the exposure to the elements and lack of sanitation due to the sloppiness of their camps. Dysentery is estimated to have killed over 10,000 of them.
The Mc Gregor road From London to Dover has now reached Canterbury, the one to Bristol has now reached Newbury. The Great North Road has reached St Albans from London and North Berwick from Edinburgh.
(1633 Nov) Charles is now in London imprisoned in the Tower.
The NBA suspends operations in the Highlands and moves back to barracks in Midlothian.
Henry is approached by Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden with an offer of Betrothal for James to Gustavs daughter Maria Christina Alexandra, though she is currently only 7. Henry consults with James and both agree it’s a good match. Maria will be allowed to visit Britain soon.
The French retreat from Turin, disease and desertion has decimated the army.
There are no major battles in Europe at this time as winter has now set in.
(1633 Dec) Henry celebrates Christmas with a land once again at peace.
The trial of Charles is set for January, he is to be tried by his peers in the House of Lords.
Many Scottish highland towns are now virtually depopulated as major reprisals of “traitors” to the crown begin. The men are used to rebuild towns, coastal defences or join the road crews, the women are indentured into domestic service. Many protest this treatment claiming they had no part in the troubles, but no-one wants to hear their pleas at this time. Henry offers the Towns to his Huguenot subjects and also various other protestant groups fleeing the Franco-Spanish war. Many accept, life is harsh in the north but they are hard working and industrious and very loyal to this British King. Their was some debate as to Henry’s right to do this in the English Parliament, however as this was Scotland and the land was forfeit to the crown there was little Parliament could do.
Henry’s eldest son James now accompanies Henry in all his dealings with Parliament and other influential men of Britain. Not as outgoing as Henry he nevertheless is developing into a promising young man of many talents.
Henry is also approached by Rabbi Menasseh ben Israel a Jew from Portugal and is persuaded after discussions with merchants clergymen and lawyers to allow those of the Jewish faith to settle in Britain after a gap of 343 years.
Henry convenes what became known as the Hampton conference to discuss the integration of Scotland, England and Wales into single governance. Scotland itself is still under direct rule by Cromwell acting as governor of Edinburgh (and hence all the lowlands) Many members of the Scottish Parliament had died in the pillaging of Edinburgh or were subsequently hunted down by Charles rebels leaving no legitimate group to restore to the rule of Scotland. Henry anticipating success asked the architect Inigo Jones to design a new British Parliament building with a circular debating chamber. He asks his friend John Pym to chair the debate and invites many men of influence to air their views.
France wins a major battle against the Spanish near Turin and proceeds to lay siege to the city. In Germany a battle outside of Euskirchen ends in a bloody draw.
British colonists in the New World now number some 100,000, though the average lifespan of a colonist is still only 35. Yet still there are many clamouring to travel to start a new life, even some of the Middle class are now considering the opportunities that North America and the Caribbean can provide. Most colony towns have self governing councils, with Henry selecting Governors for the Colonies as a whole. Virginia is still the most populated Colony, though New England with the inclusion of New Amsterdam is fast catching up.
Henry opens Hyde Park the first of his Royal parks to the public.
(1633 Oct) Charles is captured hiding in a crofters hut near Elgin, all his friends had deserted him at the last. He is bound as a common criminal and carted back to London.
There is a riot in Edinburgh as a mob tries to lynch Charles, Cromwell has it put down, and is later commended for the restraint he showed, still 23 people died in the ensuing violence as Charles was placed on a ship bound for London.
The French continue to siege Turin, though many are now suffering from the exposure to the elements and lack of sanitation due to the sloppiness of their camps. Dysentery is estimated to have killed over 10,000 of them.
The Mc Gregor road From London to Dover has now reached Canterbury, the one to Bristol has now reached Newbury. The Great North Road has reached St Albans from London and North Berwick from Edinburgh.
(1633 Nov) Charles is now in London imprisoned in the Tower.
The NBA suspends operations in the Highlands and moves back to barracks in Midlothian.
Henry is approached by Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden with an offer of Betrothal for James to Gustavs daughter Maria Christina Alexandra, though she is currently only 7. Henry consults with James and both agree it’s a good match. Maria will be allowed to visit Britain soon.
The French retreat from Turin, disease and desertion has decimated the army.
There are no major battles in Europe at this time as winter has now set in.
(1633 Dec) Henry celebrates Christmas with a land once again at peace.
The trial of Charles is set for January, he is to be tried by his peers in the House of Lords.
(1634) The trial of Charles began, facing his accusers he was arrogant and unrepentant of his acts of treason. Often refusing to answer and occasionally accusative in return claiming Henry had betrayed Protestantism by abandoning his position as its head in England. The trial wasn’t long, Charles was found guilty and sentenced to be hung, drawn and quartered (the fate of traitors) Charles appealed to his brother thinking as many did that Henry would not kill his own blood, or even that Henry would offer him the death of a King. Henry’s reply is quite famous, “My Britain is a land of law, it would ill behove my subjects to see any man be he King or commoner not to be subject to these laws.” The only mercy Henry would allow was that Charles would be buried with his wife.
Much of 1634 was spent rebuilding in Britain, especially in lowland Scotland as many buildings and housing had been destroyed during the rebellion. The first of the Mc Gregor Highways was completed to Dover from London and was considered a marvel of construction. Bristol was finally linked to London later that year and the Great North Road was progressing from both ends satisfactorily. Cromwell had also authorised a Highway between Edinburgh and Glasgow. Work also started on the Great canal between the Avon and the Kennet.
Money and trade continued to pour into Britain from abroad, one effect being the drawing away of countryfolk into the now overcrowded and squalid inner cities.
The NBA continued to seek out and reduce any Highland strongholds, now helped by lowland units recruited by Cromwell.
In Ireland Wentworth continued his “thorough” methodology to make Ireland a modern prosperous state. Many of the Old English Roman Catholic aristocracy were now selling up their land and moving to England to take advantage of the religious tolerance there. The other poor Irish were being slowly but surely removed from their tenancies and shipped to France, many finding employ in the French army.
Giovanni Branca and some colleagues demonstrate the first steam driven turbine to great interest. Many can see great possibilities for a device that doesn’t rely on wind, water, man nor beast to turn it.
In Europe the French and Spanish continued to fight a series of large and small battles over much of northern Italy as well as the Pyrenees and the Palatinate. Most of these are inconclusive, though those that end in victory tend to be to the French. In the Caribbean a Spanish relief force to retake Puerto Rico is dumbfounded to find a Danish flag flying over the island and a Danish fleet in the area. The fleet commander retreats not wishing to cause anything that might draw Denmark into the war.
The Dutch break through the depleted Spanish lines at their land border and proceed to occupy the Spanish Netherlands as far south as Antwerp.
In Poland resistance to the occupation of Swedish forces is growing, Gustav Adolphus prepares to bring them to heel with the Swedish army.
In North America, British privateers step up operations against straggling merchantmen of the other nations, especially those of France. Henry has been informed of the weakness of Nouvelle France and sees an opportunity to expand his realm whilst France is busy elsewhere. British exploration of the great river in the Gulf of Mexico has lead it upstream to found several towns on the banks, opening up some of the interior.
In Britain A huge convoy is also being assembled for a long and dangerous voyage to California to set up a colony in the bay of St Francis.
Captain George Martins of the merchant vessel Queen Marie sets foot on Japanese soil at the port of Satsuma. Opportunities for trade look very promising.
Much of 1634 was spent rebuilding in Britain, especially in lowland Scotland as many buildings and housing had been destroyed during the rebellion. The first of the Mc Gregor Highways was completed to Dover from London and was considered a marvel of construction. Bristol was finally linked to London later that year and the Great North Road was progressing from both ends satisfactorily. Cromwell had also authorised a Highway between Edinburgh and Glasgow. Work also started on the Great canal between the Avon and the Kennet.
Money and trade continued to pour into Britain from abroad, one effect being the drawing away of countryfolk into the now overcrowded and squalid inner cities.
The NBA continued to seek out and reduce any Highland strongholds, now helped by lowland units recruited by Cromwell.
In Ireland Wentworth continued his “thorough” methodology to make Ireland a modern prosperous state. Many of the Old English Roman Catholic aristocracy were now selling up their land and moving to England to take advantage of the religious tolerance there. The other poor Irish were being slowly but surely removed from their tenancies and shipped to France, many finding employ in the French army.
Giovanni Branca and some colleagues demonstrate the first steam driven turbine to great interest. Many can see great possibilities for a device that doesn’t rely on wind, water, man nor beast to turn it.
In Europe the French and Spanish continued to fight a series of large and small battles over much of northern Italy as well as the Pyrenees and the Palatinate. Most of these are inconclusive, though those that end in victory tend to be to the French. In the Caribbean a Spanish relief force to retake Puerto Rico is dumbfounded to find a Danish flag flying over the island and a Danish fleet in the area. The fleet commander retreats not wishing to cause anything that might draw Denmark into the war.
The Dutch break through the depleted Spanish lines at their land border and proceed to occupy the Spanish Netherlands as far south as Antwerp.
In Poland resistance to the occupation of Swedish forces is growing, Gustav Adolphus prepares to bring them to heel with the Swedish army.
In North America, British privateers step up operations against straggling merchantmen of the other nations, especially those of France. Henry has been informed of the weakness of Nouvelle France and sees an opportunity to expand his realm whilst France is busy elsewhere. British exploration of the great river in the Gulf of Mexico has lead it upstream to found several towns on the banks, opening up some of the interior.
In Britain A huge convoy is also being assembled for a long and dangerous voyage to California to set up a colony in the bay of St Francis.
Captain George Martins of the merchant vessel Queen Marie sets foot on Japanese soil at the port of Satsuma. Opportunities for trade look very promising.
OTL Charlotte Amalie in St. Thomas would become the second largest city in Denmark during the late 1800's. It would have some major influences upon Denmark to get a Caribbean colony this size. The Navy would be fully capable of maintaining a presence there and it would probably lead to enlargement of the Danish presence on the Gold Coast to ensure a steady flow of slave manpower for the plantations. Perhaps this would ensure the Indian venture would still happen if only for the economic gain but state interest would be in Puerto Rico and Gold Coast.
The colony would require troops to secure it and its spanish population and so would the Gold Coast. The Danish Marine Regiment would probably not end up in Bornholm in TTL! The administration would also require resources and an influx of Danes and Norwegians would follow - my opinion is more than OTL into the West Indies.
This would also lead to some security considerations. The Navy would have to maintain a permanent presence in Caribbian waters and also the Marine Regiment. The other issue - Sweden - is at the time being occupied in Poland and seems to be so for some time.
The presence in the Caribbean by the Navy could force Christian 4. to reconsider his policy of absolute rule of the Baltic so as not to alienate himself from his British and Dutch allies. Having to have free passage upon the seas for his own Navy could lead him to give passage to British and Dutch merchantmen into the Baltic. The Sound toll would still be in existence but probably in its symbolic size of a small sum per ship - not in accordance with value of cargo. That would keep his allies pleased - for the time being. They may then allow him to keep Scania instead of giving it to Sweden.
This could also spill of on Sweden letting Gustav Adophus having his troops being shipped safely to Poland with no Danish interference. That might ease off tensions between Denmark and Sweden somewhat.
Nice way to get back at the French for helping charles
It is, though I'm not sure as yet as to whether Henry will go for broke on this. France is very powerful (if distracted) and Louis (actually Richelieu) is not someone you want to cross, unless you are sure you can keep what you take.
Then again just seizing the river mouths will cut Nouvelle France off, it's mostly traders, not colonists.
OTL Charlotte Amalie in St. Thomas would become the second largest city in Denmark during the late 1800's. It would have some major influences upon Denmark to get a Caribbean colony this size. The Navy would be fully capable of maintaining a presence there and it would probably lead to enlargement of the Danish presence on the Gold Coast to ensure a steady flow of slave manpower for the plantations. Perhaps this would ensure the Indian venture would still happen if only for the economic gain but state interest would be in Puerto Rico and Gold Coast.
The colony would require troops to secure it and its spanish population and so would the Gold Coast. The Danish Marine Regiment would probably not end up in Bornholm in TTL! The administration would also require resources and an influx of Danes and Norwegians would follow - my opinion is more than OTL into the West Indies.
This would also lead to some security considerations. The Navy would have to maintain a permanent presence in Caribbian waters and also the Marine Regiment. The other issue - Sweden - is at the time being occupied in Poland and seems to be so for some time.
The presence in the Caribbean by the Navy could force Christian 4. to reconsider his policy of absolute rule of the Baltic so as not to alienate himself from his British and Dutch allies. Having to have free passage upon the seas for his own Navy could lead him to give passage to British and Dutch merchantmen into the Baltic. The Sound toll would still be in existence but probably in its symbolic size of a small sum per ship - not in accordance with value of cargo. That would keep his allies pleased - for the time being. They may then allow him to keep Scania instead of giving it to Sweden.
This could also spill of on Sweden letting Gustav Adophus having his troops being shipped safely to Poland with no Danish interference. That might ease off tensions between Denmark and Sweden somewhat.
There is a great deal of correspondence going on between the Protestant nations of the North (Britain, Holland, Denmark and Sweden) All are highly pleased that France and Spain are at war, all are watching with interest whether the Empire will join in and the smart money on if they do is that it will be on the side of Spain. However all are aware that whoever wins will be the big kid on the block and that kid won't care for Protestantism. So tentative talks are being mooted about a northern Protestant alliance. Britain, Denmark and Holland all co-operated during the "Spanish Swindle" and know they can work together. Sweden and Britain are allied through Britain's Queen and the soon to be announced engagement of Gustav's daughter Christina and Prince James. At the minute talks are mostly on trying to prevent the piracy going on between the various nations in the Caribbean (they all do it) and just concentrate on France and Spain. This will happen soon, but then the real talks about an alliance will begin with mutual protection of each others interests.
So yes Denmark may get to keep Scania, so long as they don't interfere with Sweden and make the tolls "symbolic" for alliance nations. Incidentally Christian is looking with great interest at the Great canal Britain is building, he sees some very interesting possibilities there for a canal across Denmark cutting shipping times into the Baltic.
But of course at some point Sweden and Denmark will both want to keep the Baltic as "our lake". Problem is Denmark can anytime button up the Baltic - but that would be bad for alliances. I still feel that at some point Christian might go for the preventive war if the Council of the Realm will let him or if Gustav Adolphus become too interested in Scania. Or Norway.
An early Kiel canal - but why, the Sound is very fine and Denmark doesn't need it for now. It will only cut shipping time by a day or two.
Christian IV liked gadgets, IIRC. It's not too much of a reach to see him wanting a canal, because it's a canal irrespective of the economic costs and benefits. And in fairness, there would be a fair bit of prestige in being able to build a big canal from the Baltic to the North Sea.
You're right, but the obstacle would be shortage of workers. Denmark doesn't really have navigable rivers that could be used for the ships of this age, except for very small ones and that would not serve to cut shipping time. This would require a canal like the Kiel Canal to be dug across Jutland somewhere. I don't think its a probable project.
At this stage Denmark hasn't lost Oesel, Gotland, Halland, Jaemtland, Haerjdalen, Bornholm, Blekinge, Scania, Bohuslaen, Stift Drontheim to Sweden nor had they been humiliated in the 30 years war. They've also got Frederiksnagar and Tranquebar in India as well as Puerto Rico and a couple of other Virgin islands in the Carribean. So Christian 4th is feeling quite strong and adventurous at the minute. He wants to expand his Empire but knows his biggest problem is Sweden if somehow or other he can reach a settlement with Sweden guaranteeing the borders (in so far as a guarantee meant anything in those days) And he sees this Northern Alliance as a possibility of keeping Sweden off his back giving him the resources to expand in India and the Caribbean. The canal idea is a purely prestige thing for him, but he's already considering getting the Dutch to build it for him as they have expertise in this area.
The British canal is not a ship canal, Port facilities are being built at Avonmouth, with cargoes to be barged to London, avoiding the pirate infested English Channel and also keeping the merchantmen out of the clutches of France.
I understood a ship canal. This way either the old route the Eider-Sli or the northern route via the Kongeå - Kolding Å could be utilized and would be managable with Danish resources although expertise would be highly appreciated as it also was in shipbuilding.
Sorry I didn't make that clear. The other thing that Christian is interested in is moving bulk goods from his holdings in the south and canals and barges are a very reliable and economic way to do this. Particularly if they have access to both the Baltic and the North Sea.
The one thing that does worry Christian is the betrothal of Prince James of Britain to Gustav's daughter Maria Christina, this potentially makes James next in line to be King of Sweden.
Max Sinister
Banned
Denmark controlled the Sund for some centuries, which was the source of a good part of their income. Why build a canal in addition? The time hasn't come yet when a day more or less plays a vital role in economy.
More important, I feel, is that a Kiel canal is harder for Sweden to interdict.
Hmmm, perhaps I'm assuming too much on the economy, It was more about Henry's got one, I want one. Royal oneupmanship, so to speak. It's not important though as my ultimate aim is to try and get the four Northern states to start acting as allies rather than rivals, though I must admit trying to do this without it looking contrived or unlikely isn't easy.
In your proposed scale I think Christian IV could do it - he had the resources. But as Max, and myself has pointed out its really a waste of money. Christian could go for it, but I don't find it realistic.
The allying of the northern states is also difficult, in relation to Danish - Swedish traditional conflict. Denmark-Norway just managed to keep on top 1613 and both will remember this. How about a preventive Danish-Norwegian attack on Sweden leading nowhere but major Danish-Norwegian casualties even as the main Swedish army is occupied in Poland and not able to get back because of the Danish-Norwegian navy? Then have Britain and the Netherlands work out a peace treaty coupled with a defensive alliance and install Britain and the Netherlands as arbiters in future conflicts. That would be reasonable and have Britain and the Netherlands keep the Nordic kings in check - sort of.