Henry Stuart, Duke of Gloucester survives

Hmm, what else might be consequences of Henry surviving here? Obviously Henry would be the main army man ttl, instead of Churchill. His son would likely get on well with Fitzjames, and John Churchill, the whig party would perhaps be stymied by the presence of heirs in the form of Gloucester and his sons
I think that TTL Whigs would move slightly more centrist, radicals being increasingly margnialized.
 
Either OTL, or it's Claudia Felicitas decided on as the second wife for Duke of York (no thing with longer living James of Cambridge/Kendal (1663-1677 TTL) and Montpensier match)).
A candidate for second wife of York can be also Maria Magdalena, Claudia's younger sister who in OTL died at 12 years old in 1669. I think who with Margarita dead Leopold will still marry Claudia because she is the most logical candidate
 
Either OTL, or it's Claudia Felicitas decided on as the second wife for Duke of York (no thing with longer living James of Cambridge/Kendal (1663-1677 TTL) and Montpensier match)).

Hmm alright, going for otl makes sense, and then having Dauphin have a daughter
 
A candidate for second wife of York can be also Maria Magdalena, Claudia's younger sister who in OTL died at 12 years old in 1669
Actually, I considered her for Princess of Wales for nearby thread, but then thought it would be kinda repeating Apollinis & Dianae with Prince of Wales marrying (semi-)fictional Archduchess.
 
I think that TTL Whigs would move slightly more centrist, radicals being increasingly margnialized.

Agreed, people such as the immortal seven might be marginalized here.

A candidate for second wife of York can be also Maria Magdalena, Claudia's younger sister who in OTL died at 12 years old in 1669. I think who with Margarita dead Leopold will still marry Claudia because she is the most logical candidate

That could be interesting, perhaps with two daughters from the marriage before James dies?
 
This may end up interesting, if the youngest of them is raised Catholic/offered a conversion (not an issue with Anne and Mary marrying Protestants) and is considered as a wife for Joseph I circa Brabant Swap.
 
This may end up interesting, if the youngest of them is raised Catholic/offered a conversion (not an issue with Anne and Mary marrying Protestants) and is considered as a wife for Joseph I circa Brabant Swap.

Oh that could be very interesting, and would certainly be encouraged by Gloucester I think, I do see him as being more Austrian inclined than French
 
Have you decided on the birth dates of TTL half-siblings of William of Orange or shall I randomize then for you?
 
Have you decided on the birth dates of TTL half-siblings of William of Orange or shall I randomize then for you?

I was thinking the marriage would occur around 1662 for Rupert and Mary, meaning children in:

Frederick Charles (b. 1664)

Elizabeth (b. 1667)

Henry of Cumberland (b. 1669)
 
I think the youngest would be named Maurice or Robert, not Henry. Robert Charles is more likely for firstborn (Frederick Charles is a possiblity, after grandfathers, though). After all Rupert did name a DAUGHTER after himself OTL, so it's likely the same will happen with son.
Also, I think with Second Anglo Dutch War going better/William being restored in 1668/1669 England may well attempt to stay neutral in OTL Third Anglo-Dutch War, instead of being an active party to it, many of OTL goals of the Third War being achieved (and Mary being competing influence on Charles against Henriette).
 
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I think the youngest would be named Maurice or Robert, not Henry. Robert Charles is more likely for firstborn (Frederick Charles is a possiblity, after grandfathers, though). After all Rupert did name a DAUGHTER after himself OTL, so it's likely the same will happen with son.
Also, I think with Second Anglo Dutch War going better/William being restored in 1668/1669 England may well attempt to stay neutral in OTL Third Anglo-Dutch War, instead of being an active party to it, many of OTL goals of the Third War being achieved.

This is very true, so perhaps:

Robert Charles, 2nd Duke of Cumberland and Elector Palatinate(b. 1664)

Elizabeth of Cumberland (b. 1667)

Maurice of Cumberland (b.1669)
 
Third Anglo-Dutch War, this time being instead simply Franco-Dutch war? No treaty of dover either? Or amalgamated version
 
The OTL Treaty of Dover is hard as TTL with larger family Mary is competing influence on Charles, so I think it's pretty possible that it will be simply a Franco-Dutch War, Charles being unwilling to be the cause of toppling of his nephew from power.
 
The OTL Treaty of Dover is hard as TTL with larger family Mary is competing influence on Charles, so I think it's pretty possible that it will be simply a Franco-Dutch War, Charles being unwilling to be the cause of toppling of his nephew from power.

This is very true, and of course, the threat that there is to the Spanish Netherlands could see him covertly wanting William to succeed. Henrietta of course would be aghast at this.
 
I think that agreement will be reached that England is to stay neutral in the incoming conflict, since the family factor TTL is AGAINST open French alliance.
And with Second Anglo-Dutch War going better (no Medway disaster etc) many of its goals are reached.

So the neutrality would be the factor Louis XIV would realistically aim to achieve - not siding with Dutch, if making it side with France is impossible.
 
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I think that agreement will be reached that England is to stay neutral in the incoming conflict, since the family factor TTL is AGAINST open French alliance.
And with Second Anglo-Dutch War going better (no Medway disaster etc) many of its goals are reached.

So the neutrality would be the factor Louis XIV would realistically aim to achieve - not siding with Dutch, if making it side with France is impossible.

Agreed. Hmm, looking through things, I thing during the late 1670s, Henry's kids and the Cumberland kids would get their experience of battle during issues in Scotland, and maybe some Irish issues?
 
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