Henry Stuart, Duke of Gloucester survives

Serbia going under Austrian rule (maybe given as land to Charles Habsburg to rule if Duchy of Milan is given to Spanish King Consort) is OK with me.

Alright that sounds good to me.

Hmm, what else might be consequences of Henry surviving here? Obviously Henry would be the main army man ttl, instead of Churchill. His son would likely get on well with Fitzjames, and John Churchill, the whig party would perhaps be stymied by the presence of heirs in the form of Gloucester and his sons
 
For Joseph it is impossbile to marry his OTL wife. Prince of Salm, her major promoter OTL, TTL is not her uncle.
Charles will become Duke of Milan, unless there is an arrangement that Duchy of Milan goes to King Consort Juan III (in exchange for assuring that Maria Antonia's firstborn son is to marry one of his half-aunts). Otherwise he goes to church, becoming Grand Master of Teutonic order or whatever.
Charles will become Duke of Milan or governor/ruler of Netherlands and will marry and have kids...
Leopold will not take any risk to repeat what happened in Spain, no way Charles will be allowed in the Church if Joseph had not at least two/three healthy sons of his own.
Milan is an Imperial possesion and I really can not see a valid reason for Leopold to give it top anyone else than his second son (well, unless Antonia is willing to exchange the Duchy of Milan with the Spanish Netherlands)
 
Maybe a Milan for Netherlands trade will happen as the result of TTL Second Devolution War, Spanish Netherlands going under Charles of Austria rule/formal rule?
 
Maybe a Milan for Netherlands trade will happen as the result of TTL Second Devolution War, Spanish Netherlands going under Charles of Austria rule/formal rule?
I think they do not need a war for that....With Antonia's husband being from Florence Milan is much easier to control for them than Spanish Netherlands, Leopold is still Antonia's father and exactly the kind of man to offer this kind of exchange
 
Charles will become Duke of Milan or governor/ruler of Netherlands and will marry and have kids...
Leopold will not take any risk to repeat what happened in Spain, no way Charles will be allowed in the Church if Joseph had not at least two/three healthy sons of his own.
Milan is an Imperial possesion and I really can not see a valid reason for Leopold to give it top anyone else than his second son (well, unless Antonia is willing to exchange the Duchy of Milan with the Spanish Netherlands)

Would Maria be willing to exchange it, considering the wealth that it brings?
 
I think they do not need a war for that....With Antonia's husband being from Florence Milan is much easier to control for them than Spanish Netherlands, Leopold is still Antonia's father and exactly the kind of man to offer this kind of exchange

So, Milan for Spanish Netherlands as a result of some negotiation circa 1685?
 
I think they do not need a war for that....With Antonia's husband being from Florence Milan is much easier to control for them than Spanish Netherlands, Leopold is still Antonia's father and exactly the kind of man to offer this kind of exchange
So this may be arranged between Leopold & Mariana of Austria as soon as Maria Antonia ascends/her consort is chosen.
 
So, Milan for Spanish Netherlands as a result of some negotiation circa 1685?

So this may be arranged between Leopold & Mariana of Austria as soon as Maria Antonia ascends/her consort is chosen.

Yes, Leopold is Mariana's brother and Antonia's father... They can arrange that swap without any need of war and treaties (and that swap has a lot of logic from any point of view)
 
Agreed there, I think that would be quite interesting, Louis likely has a heart attack
He would be the main reason for Mariana and Antonia's acceptance of the swap... While Netherlands are richer, Milan is closer and easier to defend than them.
Maybe Louis will console himself marrying a relative to Charles, Duke of Burgundy?
 
He would be the main reason for Mariana and Antonia's acceptance of the swap... While Netherlands are richer, Milan is closer and easier to defend than them.
Maybe Louis will console himself marrying a relative to Charles, Duke of Burgundy?

I think that could be achievable, who would be shipped off?
 
TTL daughter of Philippe d'Orleans and Louise Marie of Palatinate is definitely marrying Duke of Brabant (I think that's how Archduke Charles would be styled).
 
TTL daughter of Philippe d'Orleans and Louise Marie of Palatinate is definitely marrying Duke of Brabant (I think that's how Archduke Charles would be styled).

Alright agreed, for Philippe and Louise, would their issue look something like this:

Alexandre Louis (b. 1672)

Philippe Charles (b. 1674)

Anna Louise (b.1677)

Eleanor Christina (b. 1680)

Louise Appolonia (b. 1683)
 
I consider Louise Marie having issue roughly at the same dates, though with different genders, as her cousin did OTL - a short-living girl in 1673, then a boy (Duc de Valois) in 1675 and another girl (future Duchess of Brabant) in 1676-1677.

But your version is good as well. Though with two healthy sons Philip is unlikely to remain sexually active for long, f*cking women was a duty, not a pleasure for him.
 
I consider Louise Marie having issue roughly at the same dates, though with different genders, as her cousin did OTL - a short-living girl in 1673, then a boy (Duc de Valois) in 1675 and another girl (future Duchess of Brabant) in 1676-1677.

But your version is good as well!

Alright that sounds good to me.

Just to confirm, Leopold and Eleonore would marry earlier her, she'd be his second wife ttl? OR?
 
TTL daughter of Philippe d'Orleans and Louise Marie of Palatinate is definitely marrying Duke of Brabant (I think that's how Archduke Charles would be styled).
Yes, Brabant make sense as title, I just used the historical one...
As bride either a niece or maybe the Grand Dauphin instead of having his OTL three sons has at least a son and a daughter?
 
Yes, Brabant make sense as title, I just used the historical one...
As bride either a niece or maybe the Grand Dauphin instead of having his OTL three sons has at least a son and a daughter?

Hmm the Dauphin having a daughter would be interesting, and would also place the child likely in the same bracket as Charles who was born in 1685
 
Just to confirm, Leopold and Eleonore would marry earlier her, she'd be his second wife ttl? OR?
Either OTL, or it's Claudia Felicitas decided on as the second wife for Duke of York (no thing with longer living James of Cambridge/Kendal (1663-1677 TTL) and Montpensier match)).
 
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