Henry Stuart, Duke of Gloucester survives

So following on from this thread, to confirm what has changed:

The bouts that took Henry and his sister Mary otl are less severe, both of them survive. There is a double marriage for Charles II and Henry, with Charles marying Catherine of Braganza as otl, and Henry marrying Maria of Orange Nassau in 1661. Mary, Princess Royal would marry her cousin Prince Rupert.

The Duke of York's daughter Mary would be betrothed and then marry her cousin Charles of Gloucester, whilst Anne;s marriage is either to Pedro of Portugal or up in the air.

James, Duke of York would himself die in 1682, from an accident-maybe a molehill takes him out- Prince Rupert would die in 1684.

Internationally, Pedro II might marry Anna Luise of Orleans-Carlos II's otl wife- as his second wife, and we might well see Medici Spain through Gian Gastone marrying Maria Antonia (depending on your thoughts @Valena ). For Spain, Medici, Bourbon or continued Habsburg Spain is optional.

In Russia, Ivan V would be born without autism, therefore more likely to take command of Russian administration earlier, avoiding some of the troubles of the regencies.

If there's anything else I've forgotten, or you would like to see please do comment!
 
In addition, we decided Esme Stuart, 2nd Duke of Richmond, survives the epidemics of 1660 as well (the PoD is it being more severe), becoming future 3rd Duke of Buckingham, Court/Cavalier party activist in the Lords in 1670ies along with his uncle and naval officer (along with 2nd Duke of Cumberland (son of Rupert & Mary), Henry, Duke of Northumberland (second son of Gloucester) & Duke of Grafton). A possible wife for him is Charlotte-Amelie de La Tremoille (profilic memoir writer). She's a Protestant and of right birth for Stuart cadet.
I think that Medici Spain and Marie Louise (not Anne Louise) marrying to Portugal for a second time is a go.
Anne may marry her cousin 2nd Duke of Cumberland if the marriage woes of Karl II of Palatinate are as OTL, and there are great odds of half-brother to William III inheriting Palatinate.
Liselotte may marry either OTL or may marry to William (or a third option may happen). Though in fact, TTL William may be offered marriage earlier (as early as 1668, if the Second Anglo Dutch War goes better and he is restored to Stadtholder position, or as early as 1670). Ironically, the OTL wife of Karl II may be well considered for William in this situation (or somebody else more to Mary's taste)?
 
In addition, we decided Esme Stuart, 2nd Duke of Richmond, survives the epidemics of 1660 as well (the PoD is it being more severe), becoming future 3rd Duke of Buckingham, Court/Cavalier party activist in the Lords in 1670ies along with his uncle and naval officer (along with 2nd Duke of Cumberland (son of Rupert & Mary), Henry, Duke of Northumberland (second son of Gloucester) & Duke of Grafton). A possible wife for him is Charlotte-Amelie de La Tremoille (profilic memoir writer). She's a Protestant and of right birth for Stuart cadet.
I think that Medici Spain and Marie Louise (not Anne Louise) marrying to Portugal for a second time is a go.
Anne may marry her cousin 2nd Duke of Cumberland if the marriage woes of Karl II of Palatinate are as OTL, and there are great odds of half-brother to William III inheriting Palatinate.
Liselotte may marry either OTL or may marry to William (or a third option may happen). Though in fact, TTL William may be offered marriage earlier (as early as 1668, if the Second Anglo Dutch War goes better and he is restored to Stadtholder position, or as early as 1670). Ironically, the OTL wife of Karl II may be well considered for William in this situation (or somebody else more to Mary's taste)?

Esme Stewart as Duke of Richmond, Lennex and Buckingham as a cavalier and a navy man sounds great to me, a marriage to Charlotte Amelie also works for me.

Henry, Duke of Northumberland as a naval officer, Lord High Admiral also works for me.

Rupert and Mary's son marrying Anne sounds good also, I think, with a view to keeping the Palatinate succession toward Rupert.

Liselotte marrying Philippe makes sense I think, as I'd be keeping his male issue by Henrietta non existent.

Medici Spain I like alongside Marie Louise-apologies on the wrong first name before- marrying Pedro I like.

And William being restored to the Stadtholder position also I like, and oh interesting if WIlhemina is chosen that limits the chance of children, though if not her, then who?
 
Got a crazy idea in my head:
  • William VI, Landgrave of Hesse-Cassel, was a great friend of Prince Rupert, who stayed with him frequently in 1657 and later. He has a daughter, Charlotte Amalie, OTL Queen of Denmark.
  • In 1663 the presumptive betrothal agreement is signed between Charlotte and William of Orange. The candidacy would be well supported, both by William's stepfather and by William's guardian Elector of Brandenburg, who happens to be Charlotte's uncle. Actual marriage will happen circa 1667-1668 as circumstances will allow.
  • So, Denmark has to decide on a new Queen. And that's when idea of double match with Denmark comes up. Wilhelmina marries Electoral Prince Karl, while Liselotte is to marry Christian V. I think it will be well supported and happen circa 1670-1671.
  • Liselotte not available now, I think Anna Gonzaga will offer her oldest daughter, Luise Marie (OTL Princess of Salm), instead of her niece. Not much is changing, given that heir presumptive in TTL after Karl is either Rupert or Count Palatine of Kreuznach (Palatinate styling of his son come 1673), so no odds of claiming Simmern patrimony without conflict with Britain, and Anna paid 2/3 of her niece's dowry regardless. The bonus to this match would be that it would be Luise Marie's issue and not Condes standing to inherit Guise titles if these go extinct as OTL. In addition Luise Marie would now outrank her sister, Duchesse d'Enghien, at court.
 
Got a crazy idea in my head:
  • William VI, Landgrave of Hesse-Cassel, was a great friend of Prince Rupert, who stayed with him frequently in 1657 and later. He has a daughter, Charlotte Amalie, OTL Queen of Denmark.
  • In 1663 the presumptive betrothal agreement is signed between Charlotte and William of Orange. The candidacy would be well supported, both by William's stepfather and by William's guardian Elector of Brandenburg, who happens to be Charlotte's uncle. Actual marriage will happen circa 1667-1668 as circumstances will allow.
  • So, Denmark has to decide on a new Queen. And that's when idea of double match with Denmark comes up. Wilhelmina marries Electoral Prince Karl, while Liselotte is to marry Christian V. I think it will be well supported and happen circa 1670-1671.
  • Liselotte not available now, I think Anna Gonzaga will offer her oldest daughter, Luise Marie (OTL Princess of Salm), instead of her niece. Not much is changing, given that heir presumptive in TTL after Karl is either Rupert or Count Palatine of Kreuznach (Palatinate styling of his son come 1673), so no odds of claiming Simmern patrimony without conflict with Britain, and Anna paid 2/3 of her niece's dowry regardless. The bonus to this match would be that it would be Luise Marie's issue and not Condes standing to inherit Guise titles if these go extinct as OTL.

Okay interesting, I like that Charlotte as Princess of Orange, Liselotte to Christian V, that would bring a few kids to Christian V, and change some dynamics there, would Christian be as prone to philandering as he was otl?

And, interesting I like that so Luise Marie becomes ttl Duchess of Orleans.

So, re the conflict that bred the Nine Years War, would that be replaced with Louis aiming for the Spanish Low Countries once again, instead of going for the Palatinate
 
Low Counties, I think. Devolution War 2.0. With Cologne crisis sprinkled in the middle.

And I think Christian V will keep a mistress. Given how bad re.womanising OTL Philippe II d'Orleans was, I think TTL Frederick IV (or Charles I if a son is named differently) would be just as bad as OTL case (though married to a British Princess (TTL daughter of Gloucester) may tone down a bit.

I think Luise Marie will have roughly the same children with her TTL husband as her first cousin had, only the early-dying firstborn would be a girl (so traditional styling of Orleans' son remains Duc de Valois and not Duc de Chartres).
 
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Low Counties, I think. Devolution War 2.0. With Cologne crisis sprinkled in the middle.

Alright that sounds good to me.

Is there anything else you think would be good to add?

Austria, Leopold looking at marrying as otl, or different?
 
OTL. There is no much variation here, and keeps things simple.

Alrighty :)

As regards the marriage of his sons, with Maria ruling in Spain, would Joseph be geared toward marrying his otl wife, or would Leopold potentially look toward bringing he Danish onside, through a marriage between Joseph and TTl daughter of Christian V and Liseolette?

As for Charles, I guess he;d be sent to the church?
 
For Joseph it is impossbile to marry his OTL wife. Prince of Salm, her major promoter OTL, TTL is not her uncle.
Charles will become Duke of Milan, unless there is an arrangement that Duchy of Milan goes to King Consort Juan III (in exchange for assuring that Maria Antonia's firstborn son is to marry one of his half-aunts). Otherwise he goes to church, becoming Grand Master of Teutonic order or whatever.
 
For Joseph it is impossbile to marry his OTL wife. Prince of Salm, her major promoter OTL, TTL is not her uncle.
Charles will become Duke of Milan, unless there is an arrangement that Duchy of Milan goes to King Consort Juan III (in exchange for assuring that Maria Antonia's firstborn son is to marry one of his half-aunts). Otherwise he goes to church, becoming Grand Master of Teutonic order or whatever.

This is very true, so I imagine that Joseph would either be considered for a daughter of Portugal, or a daughter of Denmark perhaps.

Charles as Duke of Milan would be interesting to see
 
And did we say that Poland would fall to the Neubergs in the 1660s election? Or was that for Charles and Sophia timeline?
 
Also, how about idea of Britain gaining Southern Ceylon & some of Banda islands in better Second Anglo-Dutch War (complete with agreement to restore William of Orange)? Southern is more likely, it was more recent gain from Portugal, so the Dutch are not that entrenched there.
Did we say Ivan V would marry his brother's otl second wife?
Yes. Betrothal December in 1681, marriage in September 1682. I think Feodor III, having a capable successor in his TTL full brother, will not attempt to marry for a second time himself, and may even take monastic vows at the end of the life (maybe causing him living a bit longer than OTL - at least until Ivan's wedding).
Moving to this monastery, likely: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simonov_Monastery
And did we say that Poland would fall to the Neubergs in the 1660s election? Or was that for Charles and Sophia timeline?
Theoretically possible in both, though maybe better for Charles & Sophia. More interesting/drastic stuff may result from this.
 
Also, how about idea of Britain gaining Southern Ceylon & some of Banda islands in better Second Anglo-Dutch War (complete with agreement to restore William of Orange)? Southern is more likely, it was more recent gain from Portugal, so the Dutch are not that entrenched there.

Yes. Betrothal December in 1681, marriage in September 1682. I think Feodor III, having a capable successor in his TTL full brother, will not attempt to marry for a second time himself, and may even take monastic vows at the end of the life (maybe causing him living a bit longer than OTL - at least until Ivan's wedding).
Moving to this monastery, likely: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simonov_Monastery

Theoretically possible in both, though maybe better for Charles & Sophia. More interesting/drastic stuff may result from this.
Alrighty, I like the idea of Britain gaining Southern Ceylon and some of the banda islands in better second anglo-dutch war. Alongside restored William of Orange.

And alright, I like that, Ivan focusing domestically before anything else sounds good.

And alright, Poland remaining as otl with Saxons perhaps consoldiating their hold?
 
Depends on how TTL Great Turkish War go. It would be defining factor for 1697 election.

Hmm this is true, I dont think it's possible to push the TUrks completely out of Europe at this point, but perhaps out of Hungary, Transylvania, Serbia, Croatia and perhaps out of Crimea is doable?
 
I think so. Crimea being vassalized first and then if/when it fails conquered, to end the slave raids threat once and for all.
 
I think so. Crimea being vassalized first and then if/when it fails conquered, to end the slave raids threat once and for all.

Alright I like it.

Should I do as I've done in my Britain and Panthers timeline and have Serbia be under Austrian rule or independent under another Princely family
 
Serbia going under Austrian rule (maybe given as land to Charles Habsburg to rule if Duchy of Milan is given to Spanish King Consort) is OK with me.
 
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