Henry, son of Edward i survives

another what if.

Henry the second son of Edward i was born in 1268 and died in 1274. He was said to be sickly quite often and was betrothed to Jeanne I of Navarre later the wife of Philip IV of France.

If he had not died in 1274 and instead lived into adulthood, what might have changed? Would his marriage to Jeanne have gone ahead? Would relations between England and France have strained even further as a result? Who would Philip the fair have married with Jeanne off the table?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry,_son_of_Edward_I
 
If he had lived would her mother have come to England for protection instead?
It certainly places Champagne in difficult position for England and raises the spectre of the Angevin Empire.
I assume if in England then a trilateral treaty between England, France, and Navarre, takes place allowing France to administer Champagne in her name and England Navarre (probably connected to the Aquitaine administration).
A union with Navarre throws up some interesting butterflies on the French and English succession in the 1300s. There might be enormous pressure for Henry to pass Champagne-Brie to a second son.
 
If he had lived would her mother have come to England for protection instead?
It certainly places Champagne in difficult position for England and raises the spectre of the Angevin Empire.
I assume if in England then a trilateral treaty between England, France, and Navarre, takes place allowing France to administer Champagne in her name and England Navarre (probably connected to the Aquitaine administration).
A union with Navarre throws up some interesting butterflies on the French and English succession in the 1300s. There might be enormous pressure for Henry to pass Champagne-Brie to a second son.

Interesting, what were the causes of her mother fleeing otl? My knowledge in that regard is a bit rusty. If Henry survives andf remains betrothed to Jeanne, wouldn't it make sense for her mother to lfee to England?
 
It appears Blanche and Jeanne arrived in Paris in 1274, when precisely is not said, but if they still flee there instead of to Gascony for example, then perhaps there would be problems?
 
Interesting, what were the causes of her mother fleeing otl? My knowledge in that regard is a bit rusty. If Henry survives andf remains betrothed to Jeanne, wouldn't it make sense for her mother to lfee to England?
If the wiki article is correct then it will be after Henry of Navarre's death and everyone is trying to control her inheritances.
It doesn't say who but Joan has aunts married to the Duke of Burgundy and Duke of Lorraine and have sons. OTL only the male Lorraine line continued past 1288 but it is next to Champagne and the female Burgundy line continued via Rudolf Habsburg.
If Blanche sees France as better protection then the betrothal can be broken off.
 
If the wiki article is correct then it will be after Henry of Navarre's death and everyone is trying to control her inheritances.
It doesn't say who but Joan has aunts married to the Duke of Burgundy and Duke of Lorraine and have sons. OTL only the male Lorraine line continued past 1288 but it is next to Champagne and the female Burgundy line continued via Rudolf Habsburg.
If Blanche sees France as better protection then the betrothal can be broken off.

This is very true, and given the distance between England and Gascony, it is very possible that might be the case. Edward I gettiing involved there might just start another war, in which case, who does old Henry marry?
 
This is very true, and given the distance between England and Gascony, it is very possible that might be the case. Edward I gettiing involved there might just start another war, in which case, who does old Henry marry?
Once the dust settles and it's after 1300 then likely Isabelle as OTL and Henry's son gets to play the role of our Edward III.
 
Has to be someone who brings land and/or political capital.
That leaves out Ireland. Gwenllian of Wales was only born 1282 but she wasn't even betrothed to Edward II OTL.
 
This is very true. Does Mahaut of Artois bring political capital? As a relation to saint Louis etc?
More likely problems. She's too distant from the crown or inheritance to be useful.
She had no land until claiming Artois over her nephew, and if married to a king/prince of England won't get it.
 
More likely problems. She's too distant from the crown or inheritance to be useful.
She had no land until claiming Artois over her nephew, and if married to a king/prince of England won't get it.

Hmm this is very true. So, it's got to be Jeanne, or someone who brings a big dowry, hmm the daughter of Robert of Nevers and Flanders is looking more appealing by the moment aha.

Of course if Jeanne's brother had survived, then her appeal goes down also, but of course that's before the pod./
 
So, my query is Henry married to Jeanne, with Blanche fleeing into Gascony for protection, or Jeanne married to a son of Philip III due to Blanche not thinking Gascony/ England would be safe enough, leading to a massive angry thing, and Henry marrying Jeanne, daughter of Robert of Nevers and Flanders
 
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