Henry III and a Franco-Polish Union

Seeing as how Henry III of France was technically (sort of) king of both Poland and France for a brief time is there any way to get a more significant personal union to happen? Would this spark a war with the Hapsburgs over fear of encirclement by 'pro-Ottoman' nations? Could that spiral into an earlier *30 Years War?
 
Seeing as how Henry III of France was technically (sort of) king of both Poland and France for a brief time is there any way to get a more significant personal union to happen? Would this spark a war with the Hapsburgs over fear of encirclement by 'pro-Ottoman' nations? Could that spiral into an earlier *30 Years War?
I have lready asked for such a personnal union. I was told it was infeasible.
If it isn't infeasable, the Edict of Tolerance of Henri III would have been applied and the Guisard menace disappeared quite violently.
it is important to remember France cannot go to war beore te end of its own Religion Wars.
Also, te personnal union wouldn't last long as there are numerous monks being prepared to assassinate Henri III by the Jesuits.
If France can sort itself out quickly enough, the Habsburgs are cooked. If not... Well let's say less violent Religion Wars keep France more prosperous and even more populated. The Juggernaut in W.Europe is simply here earlier.
 
Seeing as how Henry III of France was technically (sort of) king of both Poland and France for a brief time
Very technically, then and only during 4 days. The moment he flee Poland, he de facto abdicated his polish titles.

is there any way to get a more significant personal union to happen?
Not much. French and Polish kingship were at this point too vastly different to be compatible or even non-mutually contradictory. Remember that as King of Poland, he had to not only agree limiting his power but as well enforce some Polish features as much as he could on French politics.

Sheer farness prevented such thing, but ideologically, it wasn't exactly something desirable.

It's no secret that I think Henri III is one of the most underrated monarchs of the Modern Era : his policies basically announce Bourbon monarchs. Someone whom main drive is to curb-stomp nobiliar ambitions is not really going to be accepted if magnates would even "forget" the whole thing about "This country suck, I'm so out of there"* or the principles that a King of Poland had to be in Poland and not elsewhere.

*Even elected as King of Poland, he delayed as much as humanly possible his departure for Eastern Europe.
 
Not much. French and Polish kingship were at this point too vastly different to be compatible or even non-mutually contradictory. Remember that as King of Poland, he had to not only agree limiting his power but as well enforce some Polish features as much as he could on French politics.

The Hanoverian and British crowns operated very differently, and were in some ways contradictory, but it worked well enough.
 
There is an underlying problem: the position of Henry in Poland was very weak, as mentioned by LSCatilina
Henry disliked Poland.
And with his arrival, the Poles have started to dislike him.
After he arrived in Poland, Henry was accused of bad faith from his subjects, especially for the non-Catholics, because at his Coronation Diet he confirmed the Pacta Convecta in the most general terms without mentioning the Henrician Articles and the the Compact of Warsaw (which guaranteed religious liberty in Poland), many of whom have declared that, if the king he had not honored his obligations, they were automatically absolved from their pledge of allegiance to him and they talked openly to be prepared to the rebellion.
After six months of reign, the inexperience of the King and his lack of the spirit of leadership were shown.
The unexpected news of his brother's death was for him a liberation: exasperated by the opposition of his turbulent Polish subjects, with a few nobles who decided to settle their personal quarrels by violent means, and because in his regal eyes France and the French were more civilized than the provincial and primitive Poles (and Lithuanians), King Henry welcomed the grace of the Providence.
«Adieu à la Poloigne», wrote Philippe Desportes.
:D
 
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The Hanoverian and British crowns operated very differently, and were in some ways contradictory, but it worked well enough.

Strategic reasons (Hanover was kind of important for British interventions in Europe), geographical closeness (Hanover is, so to speak, next door to Britain) and political concerns (at the point they were united, both crowns shared much common political principles) played a lot.

Political disinterest, geographical farness, and much different political principles in this situation would as well play a lot.
 
Strategic reasons (Hanover was kind of important for British interventions in Europe), geographical closeness (Hanover is, so to speak, next door to Britain) and political concerns (at the point they were united, both crowns shared much common political principles) played a lot.

Political disinterest, geographical farness, and much different political principles in this situation would as well play a lot.

Didn't the British kind of dislike getting dragged into German nonsense Hanover was involved in? I could have sworn I'd read about resentment in London over having to clean up after the little corner of Germany they'd been stuck with.

Anyway, I suppose I'll go with my original plan that just involves Henry dithering more after his brother dies (bad weather for travelling, feeling sick, etc.) so the Austrians panic at threat that is really just the foe being indecisive.
 
Didn't the British kind of dislike getting dragged into German nonsense Hanover was involved in?
It indeed became more and more a thing, but remember it was originally asked for from Vienna Congress to not only restore the personal union, but as well to give Hanover a royal title. If they wanted to give it up, they could have done so earlier.

See the role of British army in the Electorate, earlier, during the SYW (or the politic of expension).

Not to say it was a major focus, unanimously held by British elites (it was clearly not), but most of the negative opportunities it created.

I could have sworn I'd read about resentment in London over having to clean up after the little corner of Germany they'd been stuck with.

Anyway, I suppose I'll go with my original plan that just involves Henry dithering more after his brother dies (bad weather for travelling, feeling sick, etc.) so the Austrians panic at threat that is really just the foe being indecisive.
That said, a King of France doesn't need to be coronated or sacred to be king of France. The succession at this point is pretty much reputed being automatic.

You could see François d'Alençon warming up the throne, that he attempted to take with the Malcontents Plot. With an Henry III somehow dithering in Poland, I wonder if the mother queen would be as successful she was IOTL.
The probable alliance between Malcontents/Politiques and parts of the Huguenots (that existed IOTL, prefigurating Henri III and Henri IV policies) would make François in an unstable but maybe favourable position.

Basically : more Henri III is waiting, less likely he would get the French throne.
(And Habsburgs really doesn't have an interest having François getting crowned and sacred)
 
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