From what I read, Eleanor of Aquitaine also have a claim to the Canossa Inheritance, I think John could do an Italian adventure..perhaps he can marry Constance of Sicily instead..
Yeah,he was betrothed to the heiress of Savoy,but she kicked the bucket before the marriage.Would be great if John was actually sent across the Alps and was not able to interfere with affairs in either England itself or any of the Angevins' French possessions.He did more harm than good except for the Magna Carta,which he unwillingly signed and later tried to get rid of.Wasn't he originally betrothed/married to a Savoyard princess? Also, what might an Angeviovese Empire with realms spreading from Pennines to the Appenines look like? Could it even last? Or would it crack under its own weight?
Yeah,he was betrothed to the heiress of Savoy,but she kicked the bucket before the marriage.Would be great if John was actually sent across the Alps and was not able to interfere with affairs in either England itself or any of the Angevins' French possessions.He did more harm than good except for the Magna Carta,which he unwillingly signed and later tried to get rid of.
It probably just splits, as it should. If one son has a clear line to the Canossa inheritance, he's basically out of the picture for the rest of the Empire. So you get (say) John in Italy and Richard in Anglo-France. Excellent for allying against the Capets, to be sure. Italy is a wee bit far to actually challenge for Anjou-Normandy or even England.Wasn't he originally betrothed/married to a Savoyard princess? Also, what might an Angeviovese Empire with realms spreading from Pennines to the Appenines look like? Could it even last? Or would it crack under its own weight?
Eleanor of Aquitaine is also a descendant of the Bosonids of Provence, but she is also quite related to Matilda of Canossa, one of her relatives was one of her heirs in CK2, her common ancestor with Alfonso Jordan was in a way supposed to inherit Provence, that is William III of Toulouse, the Counts of Savoy also have a claim to the Canossa inheritance..I've looked Eleanor's family tree and I found no direct link to the Tuscan lands, mind pointing out for me?
Also, for John to become Marquis of Tuscany he needs: Support from either Barbarossa or the Pope and support from the Tuscan communes, neither (except from support for the Pope under the rights circunstances) are remotelly likely. The communes wouldn't like a foreign ruler when they're trying to expell another (the Germans) and it was against Barbarossa's policy to create powerful vassals (Henry the Lion was an exception).
Dude, such "claim" (if can even call that a claim) is way off, it's like "WI HRE Henry IV invades England in 1066", after all the Salians descend from Eadgyth of Wessex, there are way too much better claimants, Eleanor (and to extent John) are gonna have little to no support there, no Henry II can't project much power in Italy, leat alone in Germany against Barbarossa.Eleanor of Aquitaine is also a descendant of the Bosonids of Provence, but she is also quite related to Matilda of Canossa, one of her relatives was one of her heirs in CK2, her common ancestor with Alfonso Jordan was in a way supposed to inherit Provence, that is William III of Toulouse, the Counts of Savoy also have a claim to the Canossa inheritance..
Eleanor of Aquitaine can be said to be the heiress of all of South of Gaul excluding Dauphine.
I think John can either marry Alice of Savoy or Constance of Sicily, but Alice of Savoy gives him a more solid rock claim.