Help with a timeline affecting the 1848 European revolutions

JJohnson

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Hi everyone,

I've got an alternate timeline going so far, and I'm looking to expand what's going on in Europe to the 1848 timeframe. I'm looking for a few things to transpire, and would appreciate any help to improve this general idea into a plausible timeline / sequence of events.

The rough events:
-German revolutions are a bit stronger (possibly due to the Göttingen Seven?) and Prussia doesn't expand west to claim Hanover or Rhineland. The German states end up a bit more republican in government, including Prussia, having popularly elected legislatures and the end of press censorship in a good portion of the country, if not all by the end of the century
-Austria and Hungary do not merge to Austria-Hungary, but Hungary creates its own Empire that is close to Austria and thus Germany
-Austria merges with Germany at some point in the 19th (or 20th) century, possibly sparking the Franco-Prussian War of this timeline, or could possibly spark a Great War in the late 19th, early 20th century if they merge later.
-Italy unites, without the Treaty of Turin.
-Netherlands remain united (Belgium and Netherlands) through today.
-after the European revolutions, there are still emigrations to the colonies as in OTL.
-some kind of push to get more Norwegians, Finns, Swedes to emigrate to the US and the British Empire (South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, British South America, Cuba, etc). Could some kind of war or threat of war with Russia in the late 1840s-early 1850s do this?

I'm not well versed in the person chosen to be the first king in the Netherlands, but I had Willem I start out as king. If there is someone else who would be better from the House of Orange, or elsewhere that would help united the two halves of the country, I can change that. Thank you in advance for any suggestions on how to make this work.
 
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BUT THE Butterflies!!!(well keep both French revolution and napoleon as constant will allow a very different 1848) but let's see by parts:

1)hard to make, unless prusssia keep all their partition of poland territories:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Partition_of_Poland and Saxony and created a 'Rheinland Kingdom' to the Wettin to play with, with extra polish and central europe control, the prussia will be more eager to negotiated than loss all what they won. My idea of the Rheiland Kingdom is to created a state in the west strong enough with prussia and austria help to keep the french out and the wettin were pretty quickly to negotiated democratic reforms...that would help germany as awhole

2) Hungary never join austria, always was austria since 1600...here maybe the Hungarians are more sucessful(the russian have worse headache in poland and Finland and decided not help the habsburgs?) and manage to created an indepedant kingdom(maybe with a Wittelbasch or Catholic Hohenzollern) and them austria decided to be better in a united germany with Rhineland, Hannover, Bavaria and Prussia(and keep the power balance, plus separing both austria and bohemia will give enough vote to keep prussia at bay)

3) Integrated with Number 2, but here the luxemburg crisis is worse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg_crisis and the whole germany beat france in the franco-german wars.

4) Maybe after the lost of Hungary, the austians decied to support maximilain idea of a Hasburg Italy and start to unify on their own?

5) Easily, the belgium revolution is a failure but William I is more pragmatic and promoted better union and better right for french and catholic minorites under the condition of not try other rebellion again... that was easy.

Leave netherlads as otl, the house of orange have been excellent for the Kingdom.

6)Like OTL, more radicals will want to start anew and more overcrodwing will make people goes abroad.

what do you think can work? there so much butterflies, easily 1848 revolution can be butterfly away.
 
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