Help Wanted ASAP: Napoleonic Wars.

Hello. I'll need a few guest writers to help me get started on the Napoleonic Wars.

Here's how I had this planned:

1. War ends by 1813, early 1814 at the latest.
2. Napoleon wins the ATL Waterloo but ultimately loses the war.
3. Saxony sides with UK along with Prussia as opposed to France IOTL.
4. France only loses a small part of it's territory(Lotharingia & Alsace-Lorraine)
5. The death toll will change: some who haven't died as of 1 July, 1807 will
live, and some won't.

For those who'd like to contribute a page:

Write a small 1 or 2 sentence summary of what your idea was here, but send the actual post in a personal message.

By the way, I would like page styles will be done in the 'Decades of Darkness' fashion. Here are a few examples:

Dates:

Selected Important Dates in the history of [region:] [years ex. 1812-14]

Taken from “[name of book here]”
By [author's name here]

[I would assume this would be where the author lives or where he/she wrote the book or something like that.]

© [year] [publishing company:] [location of company]. Used with permission.


General Stuff:


Extracts from "[book's title here]"
By [Author's name]
[name of educational establishment]
[location of establishment]
(c) [year] [publisher: location(usually the same as that of the university of other educational establishment}]


or


Extracts from "[name of book here]"
By [author's name]
[location of author. For U.S. & Canadian locations, do City, State/Province. e.g. Richmond, Virginia, or Toronto, Ontario]

[country]
(c) [year] [publishing company's name:] [location of publisher; many times the same as that of the author.] Used with permission.



Excerpts taken from [author's name, e.g. John Smith's]“[book title here]”. (C) [year]: [publisher]. Used with permission.


Documents:
Excerpts from [document]
Originally published in: "[name of book]"
(c)[year] [author's name]
[publisher]
[location]

For an example of what I'd like to see, I have decided to take a couple of random pieces from Decades of Darkness to illustrate(with apologies to Jared):

"Taken from: “Blood and Iron: The Concise Encyclopaedia of Military Historyâ€
(c) 1949 General D. Hanson (retd)
Vanderbilt Press
New York City: Long Island
Republic of New England

Second Napoleonic Wars (16 February 1884 – 28 August 1885).
Series of linked wars in Europe, with associated colonial struggles in Africa and Asia, precipitated by the formation of the Axis Pact between France and Russia (and later Spain). The immediate cause of the war was the Franco-Spanish annexation of Aragon, and subsequent Anglo-German demands for withdrawal. The wars were fought between the Axis Powers, initially France, Russia, Spain, Serbia and Montenegro, and later Italy, and the Allies (not all of whom were allied), initially the British Empire, Germany and Turkey, and later Portugal, the United States, Brazil, Greece, and New England. The wars resulted in the breaking of the Franco-Russian alliance, the re-creation of Aragon, and significant territorial changes within Europe and in the colonial empires.


State Entry Exit Combat Forces Casualties
Brazil 1870 1871 40,000 6,000
France 1870 1871 1,050,000 340,000
Germany [1] 1870 1871 1,800,000 460,000
Italy 1870 1871 850,000 280,000
Montenegro 1870 1870 20,000 6,000
New England 1871 1871 200,000 30,000
Serbia 1870 1871 115,000 36,000
Spain 1870 1871 650,000 110,000
Portugal 1870 1871 430,000 75,000
Russia 1870 1871 1,500,000 520,000
Turkey 1870 1871 180,000 55,000
UK [2] 1870 1871 740,000 110,000
USA 1870 1871 105,000 13,000



* * *"

" Taken from: “Thomson’s Illustrated Guide to the Second Napoleonic Wars”
(c) 1950, Prof. D. Kohlhoff
Clinton University
De Witt Press, Rochester, Niagara, New England


In 1885, the Austrians recommenced a drive into the Apennines, but the reformed Army of the Enza launched a surprise counter-offensive toward Parma. This attack did not succeed in capturing the city, but it forced the Austrians to divert resources, and this stalled their already-difficult drive southward. The Austrians resumed their attacks later in the year, but the Italian fortifications were well-constructed and courageously defended, sufficient to hold off the Austrians until events on other fronts began to impinge on the Italian theatre...


--"


And for those with ideas in general, just put them here, on the forums.
 
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Is there any particular reason you need this so quickly? Anyway, I'm going to sleep. I'll read this on the morrow.
 
I've had a certain amount of experience lately writing Napoleonic battle scenes. I suppose I could help out.

But first there are things I need to know. Like, how does Napoleon or anyone else win the battle of Waterloo if the war ends before 1815?
 
I've had a certain amount of experience lately writing Napoleonic battle scenes. I suppose I could help out.

But first there are things I need to know. Like, how does Napoleon or anyone else win the battle of Waterloo if the war ends before 1815?

Thanks. :) I do seem to have overlooked that small detail, though. My bad. How about an alternate Waterloo in Nov. 1812 then?
 
Or the wars could go in a completely different direction. Something like this, maybe…


1809 — The Walcheren expedition is launched two months early. Malaria never breaks out in the British army, and the expedition enjoys initial success. As a result, Davout’s army is pulled out of the east. The British retake Antwerp, capturing what’s left of the French navy.
In exchange for rule over the Thuringian duchies, the king of Saxony sheds his Bonapartist allegiance and joins the Austrian war effort. Davout defeats the British at Waterloo, but the war in the east is a draw.

1810 — Napoleon retakes Antwerp.

1811 — Napoleon defeats Austria and Prussia and reconquers Saxony (he's still Napoleon, after all). However…

1812 — He doesn’t quite trust them to stay beaten this time. So invading Russia and leaving them in his rear won’t really be an option. Instead, he takes his massive army into Spain to deal with that “bleeding ulcer” once and for all.

1813 — While Napoleon is still in Spain, Britain, Russia, Austria, Prussia and Saxony all get together and launch a massive attack on France. This consists of an Austrian army that goes through northern Italy into southern France, a giant Russo-Prusso-Saxon army that goes through Germany and into eastern France, and a British invasion by way of Calais. Without Napoleon there, France is defeated and Paris falls.
In Spain, Napoleon is suffering from the usual occupier’s problem of winning all the battles and losing the war. He has an army of over half a million men which he can’t keep supplied and is too big to live off the land. Then he finds out Paris has been taken by the enemy. His starving, demoralized army deserts around him, and in the end he has to surrender to the British to avoid being captured by the Spanish.
 
Been thinking about Low Countries stuff to write and this could be tied up to the Napoleonic Wars. Will get some stuff written and send on to you.
 
Hello. I'll need a few guest writers to help me get started on the Napoleonic Wars.

Here's how I had this planned:

1. War ends by 1813, early 1814 at the latest.
2. Napoleon wins the ATL Waterloo but ultimately loses the war.
3. Saxony sides with UK along with Prussia as opposed to France IOTL.
4. France only loses a small part of it's territory(Lotharingia & Alsace-Lorraine)
5. The death toll will change: some who haven't died as of 1 July, 1807 will
live, and some won't.

OK, so I am clear in what passes for my head...

... I can't see Napoleon losing the war WITHOUT the Russian campaign because that's where he loses the majority of his army.

... Which war ends by 1813/1814? The US-UK war or the Napoleonic wars?

... If Napoleon STAYS beaten in 1814 then France will lose less territory at Vienna anyway.

... Saxony could certainly throw its hat into the ring after Leipzig, though it is going to be concerned about losing Warsaw if it does

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
A few more questions for you:

1) What sort of POD (or PODs) do you have in mind? There are many different roads to Rome; which one are we taking?

2) Any particular restrictions? Can we cause sweeping social, economic, or political change? Or are we restricted to normal developments from the POD(s)?

3) Are we restricted to Europe at first? Or can we branch out to other areas of the world and do our own thing there, altering it only as it is affected by events elsewhere?

As regards your POD(s), an overall view of major events would be very helpful; we need a framework to build on.
 
Been thinking about Low Countries stuff to write and this could be tied up to the Napoleonic Wars. Will get some stuff written and send on to you.

OK, so I am clear in what passes for my head...

... I can't see Napoleon losing the war WITHOUT the Russian campaign because that's where he loses the majority of his army.

... Which war ends by 1813/1814? The US-UK war or the Napoleonic wars?

... If Napoleon STAYS beaten in 1814 then France will lose less territory at Vienna anyway.

... Saxony could certainly throw its hat into the ring after Leipzig, though it is going to be concerned about losing Warsaw if it does

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

1. Good point. We should try to brainstorm an alternate invasion route: Perhaps he tries to invade Russia & at least one other country late in the winter of 1811-1812?

2. The War of 1812 got butterflied.

3. That's what I had in mind.....or did he not lose all that much IOTL?

4. I'd imagine so, too.

A few more questions for you:

1) What sort of POD (or PODs) do you have in mind? There are many different roads to Rome; which one are we taking?

2) Any particular restrictions? Can we cause sweeping social, economic, or political change? Or are we restricted to normal developments from the POD(s)?

3) Are we restricted to Europe at first? Or can we branch out to other areas of the world and do our own thing there, altering it only as it is affected by events elsewhere?

As regards your POD(s), an overall view of major events would be very helpful; we need a framework to build on.

1)I didn't have one in mind yet.

2.)I did have a few things in mind, yes.

3.)Branching out would probably be a good idea, I think.

Okay then, here was the first post:

"First POD: June 9, 1805-President Jefferson wakes up on this warm summer morning and decides to call an informal meeting with some associates. Among the topics discussed are the eventual abolition of the U.S. slave trade, and possible restriction of trade against Great Britain.

Aug 4, 1805: A little trouble begins to brew in Spanish Florida on this day; A peaceful demonstration against recently tightened military controls by Sebastian Kindelan y Obregon, after the sudden death of Enrique White in early July.

March 8, 1806: C.C. Pinckney dies of a heart attack partly brought on by lingering emphysema that had been caused by a terrible cold he had caught back in late January.

April 22, 1806: The Non-Importation Act is signed into law pretty much as OTL, but just a few days later.

July 22, 1806: Meanwhile, in Great Britain, debate rages over the slave trade, particularly within the halls of Westminster Palace, in London. One argument between William Wilberforce & a pro-slavery MP gets so heated that both men are escorted out of the building.

March 25, 1807: Problems concerning the proposed Slave Trade Act, have caused it to be postponed until the end of August.

The 1st Major POD: April 6, 1807-Albert Gallatin met with President Jefferson at 9:30 that morning concerning the proposed Embargo Act in Washington. Congress had been debating the Act(which Jefferson himself had proposed), and more than a few deadlocks had occurred. Even worse, most of the northeastern states were very much opposed to the act for fears of harming their local economies. Despite his initial wishes to the contrary, Jefferson eventually conceded. Gallatin started home at 4:50 and the President got to work on his letter to Congress informing them of the withdrawal and explaining why such a decision had been made.

Apr. 9, 1807-Congress receives the letter from Jefferson. Though many members, particularly in the Mid-Atlantic states, are somewhat disappointed, others, including a good number of the Federalists(especially some of the more hardcore members such as Timothy Pickering) breathe a sigh of temporary relief; the Non-Importation Act passed the previous year had done some damage to the country's economy, particularly in the cases of New England and the Southern ports, such as Charleston, S.C. and Norfolk, Va.

Apr. 12, 1807-After three days of debate, Congress decides to allow the bill to die in committee.

May-June, 1807-Nothing much happens in this time frame, except that the H.M.S. Leopard suffers a mutiny on June 4th and is forced to sail back to Europe, thus butterflying the Chesapeake incident which occurred IOTL.

Jul. 4, 1807-President Jefferson meets with several members of Congress to discuss a possible eventual compromise concerning the Non-Importation Act; unfortunately, the meeting is rather brief and goes nowhere.

Aug. 25, 1807-In England, despite a decent amount of support from the abolitionists, Parliament is unable to reach the majority needed to sign the Slave Trade Act into law.

Sep 14, 1807-Congress begins negotiations to allow Maine, which is currently a Massachusetts exclave, to gain statehood; in the meantime, it becomes a territory on Sep. 21st.

Feb. 12, 1808-President Jefferson announces he will not be running for another term.

Apr. 15, 1808-A British merchant ship by the name of the 'Mary Louise' was caught trying to unload unregistered goods in the town harbor of Nantucket, R.I., eliciting a rapid response from local authorities.

Nov. 1808-James Madison wins the presidential election, but not quite by as large a margin as OTL: Rufus King recieved 41.9% of the popular vote, as opposed to only 32.4% IOTL.

Jan. 8, 1809-

Mar. 4, 1809-Madison is inaugurated as the 4th president of the United States; one of his first actions is to propose an extension of the Non-Importation Act, which was due to expire come Apr. 23, 1811.

Apr. 11, 1809-On this day, the Sons of New England organization is born in Portland, Maine Territory.

Sept. 9, 1809-The Sept. 9th Riots began in Boston, Mass. starting at 1:30 that afternoon, after a private cargo ship registered to Liverpool, Lancashire, by the name of the 'Ringo Joe' is captured, and destroyed by the National Guard; the main reason being that the ship had been carrying a large amount of various goods, many of which where both popular, and banned under the Non-Importation Act. The riot lasts for 3 days and gains the S.o.N.E. their first wave of new member.

Nov. 5, 1809-The raid of a recently-established New Haven, Conn. tavern called 'The Patriot' at 2:30 in the afternoon, leads to the deaths of over 3 dozen patrons, as well as the chief bartender. There is a significant cry of outrage across the city, and discontentment across much of the rest of New England. However, though, nothing much really comes of it.

Dec. 1809-As the decade ends, in North America, tensions slowly begin to simmer just a little over the issue over the Non-Importation Act; meanwhile the Napoleonic Wars rage on in Western Europe, and in Britain, some very disillusioned Quakers begin to leave for New England over the failure of the Slave Trade Act......"


...Should also mention that there have been serious problems with some Native tribes raiding settlements in North America as of late(though the Shawnee have agreed to a cease fire, as you'll see later today.).
 
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