Help required - Averted American Revolution: Britain and the world after 1800

Oh sorry, that wasn't actually made explicit

So...Britain with its American dominions beats an alliance of RUSSIA+FRANCE+SPAIN . . .

Does it have Austria on its side? Or the other German states? Presumably the Ottomans are quite strong at this time...

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Grey Wolf

Yes I should've made that clearer. Sorry for the confusion.

Effectively the losers are Russia, France, Spain, Austria, several pro-Austrian German states and technically Denmark-Norway too (although they leave the war almost as soon as it starts)

The winners are Britain, Portugal, the Netherlands, Prussia, Poland, Sweden, several pro-Prussian and British German states and technically also the Ottoman Empire (although they only win as a result of their allies' efforts at the end of the war).

As for the strength of the Ottoman Empire; they are by now the sick man of Europe. They would've lost comfortably to Russia without British etc. intervention (as they did in OTL 1788-92).
 
Interesting points. When I was looking into the potential effects of the European war in the 1790s one option I weighed up was whether France would erupt into revolution during the conflict, forcing an early end to the conflict in Western Europe. Since you too agree with this I will incorporate this into the timeline.

I think you need a bit more of a solid rework. France knew it had a serious financial problem for most of the 1780s. She's going to avoid a war if she can, unless she can sort out the fiscal problems first. Of course, if war is looking inevitable due to real British antagonism, it's quite possible the King can get war taxes on the nobility through the parlements, without calling the Estates. If he had to call the latter, I'm not sure whether they would have been more conciliatory, considering the war situation.

You also need to remember that the late 1780s and 1790s saw a lot of crop failures and famines. This means bread riots. That might well scare the nobility into giving over taxes.

However I am clueless to what the nature of a revolution at home and a mutiny by troops (who cannot be paid due to France's dire finances) would be if France exploded into rebellion some time between 1795 and 1798. Could you offer any help here too?

It could butterfly into all sorts of directions, depending on just how it happens. You'll have to think about the issues above first. I would however note that Spain wasn't that revolutionary at this point in time, although perhaps you have some plausible explanation of a spillover from France.
 
Yes I should've made that clearer. Sorry for the confusion.

Effectively the losers are Russia, France, Spain, Austria, several pro-Austrian German states and technically Denmark-Norway too (although they leave the war almost as soon as it starts)

The winners are Britain, Portugal, the Netherlands, Prussia, Poland, Sweden, several pro-Prussian and British German states and technically also the Ottoman Empire (although they only win as a result of their allies' efforts at the end of the war).

As for the strength of the Ottoman Empire; they are by now the sick man of Europe. They would've lost comfortably to Russia without British etc. intervention (as they did in OTL 1788-92).

Interesting range of winners - Netherlands gets to hold onto what Britain took off them (Cape, Ceylon etc); Poland gets to survive, and prosper; Prussia I'm not sure since Poland is not being partitioned - depends who gets the Austrian Netherlands?

The Ottomans began some sort of reforms around this era IIRC which were then in part rolled back; with this victory and these allies now dedicated to their defence they'll get a chance to really make something of this

Not really sure what will happen in Portugal? Their Brasiilian possessions will evolve differently in a non-unified fashion

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Grey Wolf
 
Interesting range of winners - Netherlands gets to hold onto what Britain took off them (Cape, Ceylon etc); Poland gets to survive, and prosper; Prussia I'm not sure since Poland is not being partitioned - depends who gets the Austrian Netherlands?

Yes the Netherlands will keep all its colonial possessions and also gain the Austrian Netherlands. There is also the prospect of Queen Victoria (or an alternative female monarch ITTL) marrying the Dutch Stadtholder or his heir; eventually the Britain and the Netherlands could be in personal union.

Poland will prosper and the May constitution will inspire reform and revolution later in the nineteenth century perhaps. Prussia and the Ottoman Empire I'm not to sure about yet.
 
Regarding the idea of preferring small and independent nations Britain can trade with, I never assumed Britain would control all of South America directly and there is the potential for the colonies to eventually receive 'dominion-like' status later on (basically independent in every sense of the word except their foreign policy and constitution is still controlled by Britain).

Both in We'll meet again and the Britwank Empire Venezuela becomes a British protectorate, beyond the legislative control of Westminster. Following the conflict in the 1790s I have Britain occupying at least New Spain, Grenada, Peru and all of the Caribbean. I can see perhaps Peru becoming a protectorate too, but would Pitt the Younger (PM) and the Duke of Leeds (foreign secretary) being willing to give up these other gains (whether handing them back to the Spanish or simply granting them independence) after such a long conflict), after all Spain and France have either descended into revolution (as Socrates argues) or have sued for peace a become constitutional monarchies?

Setting up dominions is a lot more expensive because you have to provide the administration, suppress the revolts, and so on.
 
Setting up dominions is a lot more expensive because you have to provide the administration, suppress the revolts, and so on.

Really? Take for example the 1867 Canada Act relating to dominion status. The legislation gives the new parliament the powers to make laws for peace, order and good government in [dominion name]. So the dominion pays for its own law enforcement (police etc.) at no extra cost to Britain. The same is also true of administration; the dominion's parliament would have the right to levy taxies to pay for a civil service, local government and law enforcement.
 
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