Help Me on a TL

How the Axis could’ve won WWII
Please help me on my first timeline. I realize the subject has been overdone, but I think this is a good idea, that I think hasn’t been used before. I have gotten the Axis to win WWII; however, I would like to get the timeline to go further. Please throw out ideas for me, and, while you’re at it, tell me if you like it. Also, feel free to point out anything that is historically incorrect, as I’m a history buff, not an expert. I will change it to make it the best possible ATL that it can be. Also, I will ramble on about my ATL facts; this won’t be a story! Thank You.

February 1938: Hitler, sensing Stalin in weakness during his great purges, and in the midst of war with Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia, decides to declare war. Hitler calls it his “Great Crusade against Communism”. The plan receives a solid amount of support from the west; they hate communism too. The Nazis receive aid from several nations, including Britain, France, and the United States. The Nazi plan is to invade from Leningrad through the Gulf of Finland, and the rest of Russia through Lithuania, who has now allied themselves with the Nazis. In a close battle, the Soviet Union is defeated, and a stable supply of arms from Germany to Russia is achieved. First unveiling their blitzkrieg strategy, Leningrad lies in wastes in just days. After a month, the Luftwaffe has gained total control of the skies, and bombs Soviet targets like mad. By June, the Nazis make it to Moscow. At the same time as Moscow is invaded, Hitler demands that his troops be parachuted to Stalingrad and start a 2nd front on the USSR. The result is like of OTL D-Day proportions, as far as parachutes go. Stalingrad and Moscow are fought for bravely by Russian soldiers, but complete control is achieved by the Nazis in November. Stalin’s Great Purge has ruined his own nation. But, Stalin isn’t in Moscow by the end of the battle. Hitler, from his bunker in Leningrad) demands that a team look for Stalin, and so, Reinhard Heydrich and a small battalion go on a search throughout Russia to find Stalin. They find him, in the basement of an extended family member’s farmhouse on the Volga River. On Hitler’s orders, the Nazis tie him up and place a 25 man guard around him 24/7. Heydrich then calls Hitler, telling him of the news. Hitler then flies straight to the Farmhouse. He then proceeds to take a pistol, and personally shoot Stalin. The Soviet Union crumbles.


Hitler decides to split the USSR into several nations; Nationalist Socialist Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and the United Fascist Baltic States. The NSR (Russia), being the most important, Hitler places Heinrich Himmler in charge. The SS trains 5000 Turkish, Ukrainian, Fin, and Polish mercenaries to find the remaining Soviet Guerrillas, whom are led by Vyachleslav Molotov and Georgy Zhukov. The Russian army puppet of Hitler is sent to Sinkiang, to aid the Japanese in their war. With full support of Russians, Himmler is welcomed in well. He renames Stalingrad Himmlerstadt, or literally Himmler Town. But what the public didn’t know was the ongoing Holocaust just beginning in Himmlerstadt. At that point, all the Jews and communists in Russia and Germany in a Kristallnacht event.

Upon return to Berlin, Hitler is received as a deity; he was God! Germans didn’t just give him their babies to kiss and sign, but actually giving them to him! The west is nearly as appreciative, nearly all the sentiment from Versailles seems to be forgotten. Hitler goes on parades in London, Paris, Berlin, Tokyo, and in Washington. One memorable moment came in Washington, when Hitler and FDR walked (well FDR rolled I guess) down Constitution Avenue, arm in arm, laughing with each other with the aid of a translator. But it doesn’t last forever. Hitler soon annexes Austria, Luxembourg, and Danzig, and conquers Czechoslovakia. Britain and France, slightly disturbed, but still in confidence of Hitler, conference with him; telling him politely that he cannot invade Poland, or they should be at war. Hitler laughs and agrees, saying that that is the end of his conquests.


Japan, with as much oil as it could dream of with Russian and American aid, has no need to invade Indonesia, Malaysia, and India. Instead, they concentrate everything into a full out attack on China, while their NSR buddies come in from the back, and provide relief on the front. The Nationalist Chinese, with defeat inevitable as the Japanese and NSR armies come closer and closer, decides to accept a removal of their power onto Taiwan and Hanoi. They become a vassal of Japan. The communist guerillas under Zedong, however, keep on going strong.


January, 1940: Hitler, after parades celebrating his glory, decides to invade Poland on New Year’s Day. Britain and France are stunned; they believed Hitler as their ally in destroying communism. They didn’t bother trying to manufacture an army; it was supposed to be peace. Under weak leadership, Poland and France go down in a month by the Nazi forces. Italy and Ukraine go after the Balkans front, leaving Hitler with many options. After deploying Rommel and a much larger Afrika Korps in Africa, Hitler decides to focus his entire empire on creating ships to defeat the Royal Navy, while his Luftwaffe destroys British boats in port and industries, and Russian industries now boom out boats and fighters, to kill the British scum. The Battle of Britain begins. With very few fighters in the RAF, radar doesn’t do the Brits much good. The Luftwaffe and Russian Air Force gains control of British skies. By January 1941, after the Nazi navy and their Russian counterparts have cleared the channel, Hitler has raised a 5 million man army to send towards Britain.

Meanwhile, in the Pacific, Japan is in a large stalemate in India. They had already captured Indochina, Malaysia, and Indonesia by now. Many Japanese are facing a Guerilla war against the Chinese, which they are slowly winning. Also, Japanese transports have successfully by now have invaded Australia and New Zealand, and are winning those battles too. By 1941, Japan has completely taken over the Pacific Ocean, save for American bases. (BTW America and the west has cut off aid by now, and to all other Axis nations) Japan now prepares for a colossal attack on American bases in the Philippines, Pearl Harbor, Guam, and Midway, which is set to take place the moment America declares war on Germany. In the mean time though, the British are the enemies.


January, 1941: Britain is thrown into revolution. There are three factions vying for power; Oswald Mosely in the Fascist peace party, Neville Chamberlain in the Democratic peace party, and, the people’s favorite Winston Churchill, in the Democratic war party. Chamberlain is effectively kicked out of office, and he joins Daladier somewhere else. (as to where, I don't know) The revolution hurts the British war effort around the world; British troops everywhere are divided, and even fighting amongst themselves. In the midst of a German invasion, that’s no good.


As Hitler invades the United Kingdom, Churchill asks for an alliance with America. FDR makes a speech to a republican majority congress (in the preceding election FDR was seen to have an un-isolationist, (helping Hitler, and then the Allies) attitude to a pro-isolationist America, and while given the Oval Office back just because of his New Deal success, he doesn’t get the majority in congress), telling everyone that the Nazis cannot be stopped unless America supports democracy in Europe, and that America will be the Axis’ next target. Congress barely passes the request. America is at war. America, with larger industries and more time to prepare are far more ready than Britain and France were at the beginning of the war. However, it is still not nearly enough to come close to defeating Germany.


Meanwhile, in Japan: The Japanese send a much larger force to cut down the Americans in the Pacific. They succeed, but not with the success they had in OTL, as they don’t have surprise on their side. Japan, nonetheless, now rules the entire Pacific. The Japanese push in India is going very well now too; they have made it to Calcutta, with the British resistance weakening steadily as the war progresses.


February, 1941: While Churchill backs the might of most of the British military, and the people, it’s still not enough. The Nazis capture London after five months of hard fighting in the city. (The King and Queen were evacuated to Toronto before the invasion, so they’re all right.) Churchill now must set up a guerilla war, which he decides to lead Nazi troops right to a huge trap in Birmingham, where his entire army would fight him, hoping to keep them at bay until America arrives at the end of the month.


The United States has managed to clear away many Nazi subs blockading America, and is now ready to begin launching transports to Britain. American production already is crushing the axis powers, but is only slowing. Many Americans have an Isolationist Policy, and wonder why the war is going on when there was technically no direct attack on America. A couple strikes pop up here and there, but they for the most part put their heads down and work.

July, 1941: Japan has reached Delhi. More and more British troops are evacuating the place to defend the motherland, and others are joining Axis militaries. Now, Japan’s main focus is on two things: building up a much larger navy to contend with the exponentially growing American navy, and to find Mao Zedong.
Meanwhile, in Europe: US marines now occupy Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Wales, and are fighting with the British in an increasingly Stalingrad-like battle from OTL. With the war in Africa becoming a victory, Hitler can now confidently send what he considers to be his top general, Rommel, and a large new garrison of troops, up to Britain. Basically, a stalemate is being achieved over Birmingham, with a steadily increasing American and Nazi forces growing and growing every day. However, slowly the battle seems to be becoming an allied victory, and Britain seems to possibly be saved by America.


September, 1941: The American casualty rate in Birmingham is enormous, and the numbers are somehow leaked to the public by a certain Edward R. Murrow. The numbers are staggering, in one month, there are 100,000 dead Americans, 80,000 British for Churchill dead, and 200,000 dead Fascists. With the news, a small band of US marines makes it their mission to find and kill him; which they do in a Cardiff bar. But it’s too late, the public already knows. A couple strikes turns into full blown riots and workers around the nation are on strike. US production comes to a screeching halt, which the Nazis take advantage of, 50 more u-boats are sent to blockade America. US troop flow is stopped in the Atlantic. In the Pacific, Douglas MacArthur has managed to free Hawaii, and is now on the way to Midway. FDR, in the midst of all these outbreaks, decides to invest a MASSIVE amount of money on the Manhattan Project, seeing it as the only
way to defeat the Nazis without any work being done.


July, 1942: The Battle of Birmingham ends in a Fascist victory, due to the end of the supply train from America to Germany. Casualties are enormous; allied casualties number around 800,000, 500,000 being Americans. Axis casualties number around 1.2 million. Another million civilians died in the battle too, leaving the total to 3 million deaths. After the battle, Churchill doesn’t have the support he needs to keep going. He escapes to Canada, to join the King and Queen who support him. The public now supports peace, and their only option in Mosley. Grudgingly, they accept him as their leader. Britain asks for peace, and is granted a lenient peace by the Nazis. The Brits get to keep their colonies in Africa and in Oceania, and are not forced to be a puppet of Hitler, with his logic deciding not to give out another Versailles that could hurt Germany in the future.


September, 1942: Japanese military leaders find Mao Zedong in a cave near Mt. Everest, dead in his Sherpa disguise. They find that he committed suicide just minutes before they arrive. The Japanese cut off his head and take pictures, spreading it around the world. Eventually the pictures make it to a horrified American public. The Republican majority decide to impeach FDR, and swear in Vice-President Henry A. Wallace as the 34th President of the United States. Trying to protect his own political career, Wallace goes for peace with the Axis, though he really supports FDR, and still plans on continuing the Manhattan Project secretly. The Axis powers accept, knowing that they have many revolutions on their hands. Britain is still fighting Canadian supported democratic British rebels, Russia is still fighting Soviet guerillas, Japan is fighting British, Chinese, and Indian rebels, and Germany is fighting French rebels, and is still rounding up people to send to the death camps now stationed all around Fascist Europe. The Holocaust has still not been learned by the United States.


So the situation now is a Nazi run Europe frome France to Poland, a puppet Russian and Ukranian government, an Italian run balkans, and a Japanese run pacific against an American/Canadian coalition in a now cold war like scenario, with America racing towards nukes, and no real Axis rockets or nukes yet, and neither side knowing the devastation of a nuke.


Please tell me what you think; I look forward to seeing your comments.
Thanks- Commandant Spangler
 
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The Vulture

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For starters, how in the name of George Romero does Hitler get the US, Britain, and France to go along with an invasion of the USSR at that late date?

If the invasion of Russia follows the same basic strategy as it did IOTL, why is it suddenly not subject to any of the same faults?

Hitler walks into Russia, committing war crimes and personally murdering a head of state, and the West thinks he's a hero and not some kind of lunatic? Then they're completely surprised when he turns on them?

The Americans keep throwing resources at someone who is clearly a threat to the world, but refuse to get involved because they're isolationists?

You've got good ideas here that could make for an entertaining read, but you need to clean up these and several other issues.
 
invasion via leningrad isn't particularly feasible in 1938... the german army needs a large space to pour in their army. the lack of common border in 1938 makes this idea rather difficult

a potential tweak would be to have stalin move in on the baltic states early (so that he has a common border on east prussia) and then for shooting war to break out
 
For starters, how in the name of George Romero does Hitler get the US, Britain, and France to go along with an invasion of the USSR at that late date?

If the invasion of Russia follows the same basic strategy as it did IOTL, why is it suddenly not subject to any of the same faults?

Hitler walks into Russia, committing war crimes and personally murdering a head of state, and the West thinks he's a hero and not some kind of lunatic? Then they're completely surprised when he turns on them?

The Americans keep throwing resources at someone who is clearly a threat to the world, but refuse to get involved because they're isolationists?

You've got good ideas here that could make for an entertaining read, but you need to clean up these and several other issues.

Ok here was my thinking; I'll probably edit this in there.

Germany hasn't started any kind of action to unite Germans yet and Hitler isn't seen as much of a threat as Stalin yet, and the threat of war between communism and capitalism was as much of an issue as a nazi-democracy war like in OTL. The West feared communism so much that they support a fascist attack on Russia, as they are wiping out their own fear, as the fascists haven't commited any atrocities (that I can think of) at that point, and thus giving capitalism a victory over communism. And, of course the pro-democratic pro-capitalist governments are going to be overjoyed that a mad-man has been overthrown! They wouldn't see Hitler as a madman, they'd see Stalin as the madman just done killing millions of people; they'd see Hitler as a man who defeated communism; and that they admire.

Hitler I meant to be stationed in say Ukraine or something, in a bunker, like he was in OTL Operation Barbarossa at some point; and it's not like he walked around Russia in the middle of a battle; Russia was nearly defeated, and he flew. His murder of Stalin was supposed to be meant as a PR stunt (stupid, but I got the Idea from Call of duty Modern Warfare); to go and personally kill communism, which the rest of the world despises, would make him a popular guy, at least to me. I decided that the west would look past his obvious insaness and appreciate his destruction of communism. And, for the Britain and France thing trusting Hitler, well, in OTL, Chamberlain and Daladier both trusted Hitler at the Munich Agreement, and decided that peace was achieved. The Phoney War proved the whole little militerization theory on the allied side. Hitler had done about the same kind of stuff in this timeline, other than I think he gets more sympathy due to he's the man who single-handedly defeated the most evil government on earth at the time.

I said that America, once that the war was over and it was obvious that Hitler was an insane lunatic, canceled all aid to Germany and allied nations to Germany. That was a move pulled off by FDR, not the isolationist majority. As I said, the public didn't support the democrats much by the election of 1940, and the only reason they trusted FDR any was because the New Deal was looking more success than fail. They only get involved to save Britain, which to many Americans, isn't a good enough reason.

And the plans to invade Russia aren't like Barbarossa, It's more like a steady continuation of troops being sent into Leningrad, then marching across Russia all in different directions, towards various targets: Moscow, Kiev, Leningrad, Archangel, etc. In addition, the Nazis invade 3 months earlier, possibly saving them before the whole disease and famine thing that plagues Russian invasions happens. The problem with this plan is what BlairWitch749 said; that everything will get way too congested in the Gulf of Finland and Leningrad. I'll think of another plan.

@BlairWitch749
I thought about making Germany invade via the Black Sea too; it did seem like it would be congested there! But, that would be less practical then sending men straight to Leningrad. I think I will add in that Russia managed to take over Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia before the war.
 
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Cook

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Russia's Marshal Tukhachevsky feared a combined Polish and German invasion of the Soviet Union.
And in 1938 Munich treaty Poland had been friendly enough with Nazi Germany to take a chunk territory in the carve up of Czecheslovakia.
Suppose Nazi Germany and Poland remained on good terms and the invasion of the Soviet Union went ahead in the spring of 1939 from Poland's Eastern Border.
Given the depth that Polish territory extended east at the time and the extremely poor state of the Red Army at the time it's hard to see how Hitler could be stopped before reaching Moscow.

For an idea of how poor the Red Army would have performed look at the Russian - Finland Winter war of 1939.
 
I see the water-based mammal again ignoring the RN.

I don't think I ignored the Royal Navy; I had the Nazis spend literally nearly all of their war effort on destroying British boats in production and making their own. Right now, Britain doesn't have a large enough RAF to really protect against the Luftwaffe bombing their navy. I definitely did not have the Nazis ignoring the British naval supremacy; they worked much harder to destroy it. Also, they have the Russian navy basically at their command too (though its worth much less), as Hitler has them as a puppet to do his bidding. I think that a giant nazi empire along with the Russians producing mass amounts of planes and boats would in the end crush the RN, at least long enough to hold the channel for long enough to send that many men over to Britain.

Actually, I didn't add Russia in there for this attack, did I. I'll edit that in there now. My Bad.
 
I don't think I ignored the Royal Navy; I had the Nazis spend literally nearly all of their war effort on destroying British boats in production and making their own. Right now, Britain doesn't have a large enough RAF to really protect against the Luftwaffe bombing their navy. I definitely did not have the Nazis ignoring the British naval supremacy; they worked much harder to destroy it. Also, they have the Russian navy basically at their command too (though its worth much less), as Hitler has them as a puppet to do his bidding. I think that a giant nazi empire along with the Russians producing mass amounts of planes and boats would in the end crush the RN.

Actually, I didn't add Russia in there for this attack, did I. I'll edit that in there now.
The RN would be based in Scapa Flow, to the north, out of range of the Luftwaffe and the U-Boats, nor the German Navy were strong enough to really harm the RN. The minute the invasion is called, the RN would be sent to the channel. Shortly after the first wave of Germans landed in England, thew RN would control the channel, and yes, control of the skies is important but it is difficult to destroy a fleet as Dunkirk showed.

Yes, in the long run the Nazis could easily outbuild the Royal Navy, but by 1941 is asb, in fact by 1945 is asb. Why do you think the Germans concentrated on u-boats iotl?

The invasion would be scuppered on the beaches.

The only way to defeat the Brits is either by attrition through a prolonged battle of the atlantic or possibly winning in the middle east and cutting off the suez canal, destroying British trade with the Empire. Both would certainly do it.
 
The RN would be based in Scapa Flow, to the north, out of range of the Luftwaffe and the U-Boats, nor the German Navy were strong enough to really harm the RN. The minute the invasion is called, the RN would be sent to the channel. Shortly after the first wave of Germans landed in England, thew RN would control the channel, and yes, control of the skies is important but it is difficult to destroy a fleet as Dunkirk showed.

Yes, in the long run the Nazis could easily outbuild the Royal Navy, but by 1941 is asb, in fact by 1945 is asb. Why do you think the Germans concentrated on u-boats iotl?

The invasion would be scuppered on the beaches.

The only way to defeat the Brits is either by attrition through a prolonged battle of the atlantic or possibly winning in the middle east and cutting off the suez canal, destroying British trade with the Empire. Both would certainly do it.

I didn't realize where their base was, I just assumed it was somewhere near the channel, within bombing range. Maybe I'll add a Nazi invasion of Norway too.

1941 was probably a little early too. But, you have to remember, that I did mention that Britain was in a state of civil war: the army, air force, and navy were all fighting amongst themselves. I think that the Nazis and Russians outproducing the British while they're in a civil war is enough to win the Germans the channel for enough time to win the fight to make it across the channel. Once on the other side, I would think it'd be much easier for the Nazis. They have control of the skies, and there is confusion and disarray in the enemy. While the RN is superior to the German navy, (do they have a cool name like luftwaffe?) they don't know what side they are supposed to be fighting for. Each sailor is fighting for his own political belief. Thinking like an OTL united Britain against the Nazis isn't this timeline. This one is more complex.

P.S. Thank you for bringing this back up, I still want ideas on how to improve it.
 
I didn't realize where their base was, I just assumed it was somewhere near the channel, within bombing range. Maybe I'll add a Nazi invasion of Norway too.

1941 was probably a little early too. But, you have to remember, that I did mention that Britain was in a state of civil war: the army, air force, and navy were all fighting amongst themselves. I think that the Nazis and Russians outproducing the British while they're in a civil war is enough to win the Germans the channel for enough time to win the fight to make it across the channel. Once on the other side, I would think it'd be much easier for the Nazis. They have control of the skies, and there is confusion and disarray in the enemy. While the RN is superior to the German navy, (do they have a cool name like luftwaffe?) They don't know what side they are supposed to be fighting for, depending on each individual sailor's political feeling. Thinking like an OTL united Britain against the Nazis isn't this timeline. This one is more complex.

P.S. Thank you for bringing this back up, I still want ideas on how to improve it.
An invasion of Norway doesn't make any odds. The channel is 20-30 miles wide, the North Sea 500 miles plus. The range is too long for the Luftwaffe fighters and even if you destroy the RAF in 11 group(victory in the battle of Britain), they would still control the skies from the midlands to the north of Scotland. In other words, the fleet were too important not to be covered.

As I said, succesful invasion is simply a non-starter unless you delay it a decade and somehow avoid the production of a nuclear bomb. Also, you say not to think of a united Britain as in OTL.

To achieve this somehow, you have to change the politics of Britain. Chamberlain was terminally ill, so was hardly likely to lead a peace party, especially as he was from the same party as Churchill and Mosely was in prison in the Isle of Mann, but had virtually no support from the people anyway, and the opposition Labour Party hated the Nazis arguably more than the governing Conservatives. Given your POD, the politics of Britain is also impossible.

I'm sorry if I'm coming across as a bit of a git here, its just the way I'm seeing it. I'd change the whole invasion bitty and get a white peace with Britain. Tbh, thats the best your gonna get.
 
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An invasion of Norway doesn't make any odds. The channel is 20-30 miles wide, the North Sea 500 miles plus. The range is too long for the Luftwaffe fighters and even if you destroy the RAF in 11 group(victory in the battle of Britain), they would still control the skies from the midlands to the north of Scotland. In other words, the fleet were too important not to be covered.

As I said, succesful invasion is simply a non-starter unless you delay it a decade and somehow avoid the production of a nuclear bomb. Also, you say not to think of a united Britain as in OTL.

To achieve this somehow, you have to change the politics of Britain. Chamberlain was terminally ill, so was hardly likely to lead a peace party, especially as he was from the same party as Churchill and Mosely was in prison in the Isle of Wight, but had virtually no support from the people anyway, and the opposition Labour Party hated the Nazis arguably more than the governing Conservatives. Given your POD, the politics of Britain is also impossible.

I'm sorry if I'm coming across as a bit of a git here, its just the way I'm seeing it. I'd change the whole invasion bitty and get a white peace with Britain. Tbh, thats the best your gonna get.

No you're fine, I don't know too much about all of this British WWII politics, I obviously know more about the American side of things.

I'm still not going to give up, even though you're very likely way more knowledgable on this stuff than I am. And I'll scrap the whole Norway idea.

Hitler and Mussolini historically weren't exactly best of friends either before WWII, they frequently disagreed. The British fascists at the time I thought could kind of go under the same kind of thing. The fascists I meant to be kind of working together with the Nazis just for the convenience to win political power in Britain. After they got peace, they likely would definitely not have worked well with Hitler.

I didn't know that about Chamberlain, but he didn't get any support from anyone anyway in my timeline, so I don't really think that matters too much.

You got me on Mosely though, what'd he get to go to prison for? Who was his right hand man in the labour party? (Because I'm going to use him instead :D)

As for the people not supporting whoever (I guess not Moseley) Britain recently gave the fascist party a 16% vote in 1934 I think. That is a good enough base to begin with for the Fascists to take back over once the war looks incredibly bleak for the British, I think, and expand on it too. Plus, the British don't support the Fascists 100%, I was thinking it was more like a 70% to 30% difference in the British public. The only reason the Labour Party wins is because they reluctantly team up with the Nazi invaders.

This is my last attempt to win this argument, if you come up with something else, than I'll just go with a boring old peace. :(
 
No you're fine, I don't know too much about all of this British WWII politics, I obviously know more about the American side of things.

I'm still not going to give up, even though you're very likely way more knowledgable on this stuff than I am. And I'll scrap the whole Norway idea.

Hitler and Mussolini historically weren't exactly best of friends either before WWII, they frequently disagreed. The British fascists at the time I thought could kind of go under the same kind of thing. The fascists I meant to be kind of working together with the Nazis just for the convenience to win political power in Britain. After they got peace, they likely would definitely not have worked well with Hitler.

I didn't know that about Chamberlain, but he didn't get any support from anyone anyway in my timeline, so I don't really think that matters too much.

You got me on Mosely though, what'd he get to go to prison for? Who was his right hand man in the labour party? (Because I'm going to use him instead :D)

As for the people not supporting whoever (I guess not Moseley) Britain recently gave the fascist party a 16% vote in 1934 I think. That is a good enough base to begin with for the Fascists to take back over once the war looks incredibly bleak for the British, I think, and expand on it too. Plus, the British don't support the Fascists 100%, I was thinking it was more like a 70% to 30% difference in the British public. The only reason the Labour Party wins is because they reluctantly team up with the Nazi invaders.

This is my last attempt to win this argument, if you come up with something else, than I'll just go with a boring old peace. :(
No, they never recieved 16% of the vote. The forerunner to the British Union of Fascists, the New Party recieved 36,000 votes across the whole country in the last election it stood in(1931)and the BUF chose not to stand in 1935. To get 16% of the vote in the 1935 general election you would need some very major events. I just cannot see it happening.

Mosley, along with the other BUF leaders were imrisoned as fifth columnists under Defence Regulation 18B.

The leader of the Labour Party, Clem Attlee was Deputy Prime Minister under Churchill after a coalition government was formed following Dunkirk, so to get him and Churchill on opposite sides is again a non-starter.

To clarify, Chamberlain could be removed by the King, and if he has lost the support of the people, then Churchill would be the obvious choice.

There is no way to achieve a British revolution in this time frame. Marshal law, yes, but a revolution, no.
 
OK, I give up...

Well, that was exciting. I'm going to bed. I'll change it tomorrow after I get back from school.

I thought it was such a good idea...:(

And I still swear that I read they did get 16% in the early 30s somewhere...
 
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