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First, how plausible is it? Could anyone with good knowledge of the oceanic currents answer this? Second, if it is plausible, how would they interact with the Native Americans? And, later, with the Europeans?
First, how plausible is it? Could anyone with good knowledge of the oceanic currents answer this?
there are report they might have had but mostly by accident
You said in https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...um-polynesian-expansion.422384/#post-15292682, that, you believed, that, they might have been able to overwhelm a group of Natives. Also, Hawaii is closer to California than to Tahiti, where the Hawaiians' ancestors had come from.The numbers would be so small they'd likely be absorbed into whichever group they encountered within a few generations. On the other hand, you might get a few Hawaiian loanwords which would puzzle linguists (like the supposed Polynesian loans in IIRC Chumash but with no reasonable alternative explanations).
I doubt it. The distances are too long and their ships too small. Any Hawaiians washing up there would be as dead as the Inuit who occasionally washed up dead in northwestern Europe.
Inuit washed up to North America?The numbers would be so small they'd likely be absorbed into whichever group they encountered within a few generations. On the other hand, you might get a few Hawaiian loanwords which would puzzle linguists (like the supposed Polynesian loans in IIRC Chumash but with no reasonable alternative explanations).
I doubt it. The distances are too long and their ships too small. Any Hawaiians washing up there would be as dead as the Inuit who occasionally washed up dead in northwestern Europe.
How many people lived in Hawaii by the end of XV century?The numbers would be so small they'd likely be absorbed into whichever group they encountered within a few generations. On the other hand, you might get a few Hawaiian loanwords which would puzzle linguists (like the supposed Polynesian loans in IIRC Chumash but with no reasonable alternative explanations).
I doubt it. The distances are too long and their ships too small. Any Hawaiians washing up there would be as dead as the Inuit who occasionally washed up dead in northwestern Europe.
How many people lived in Hawaii by the end of XV century?
This is scholarship decades outdated. Kirch and Hammon both agree that the population of Hawai'i in the 1770s was around half a million. In 1500, admittedly, this must have been far lower.Archaeological evidence estimates a pre-European max population around 200k while early European reports estimated closer to 400k. The real number is probably somewhere between the two.
This is scholarship decades outdated. Kirch and Hammon both agree that the population of Hawai'i in the 1770s was around half a million. In 1500, admittedly, this must have been far lower.
Do you have any papers on that? I don't know much at all on the topic and haven't found much recent work beyond a couple news stories. I'd be interesting to see how the methodology changed to get different numbers.
The Line Islands in Kiribati were used as a stop over between Tahiti and Hawai`i, the ocean between Hawai`i and California is devoid of islands.Also, Hawaii is closer to California than to Tahiti, where the Hawaiians' ancestors had come from.
The numbers would be so small they'd likely be absorbed into whichever group they encountered within a few generations. On the other hand, you might get a few Hawaiian loanwords which would puzzle linguists (like the supposed Polynesian loans in IIRC Chumash but with no reasonable alternative explanations).
I doubt it. The distances are too long and their ships too small. Any Hawaiians washing up there would be as dead as the Inuit who occasionally washed up dead in northwestern Europe.
1. If they can make from Tahiti to Hawaii, they can make it to North America 2. They made it ever further to Easter Island
Technically I believe Polynesian exploratory voyages usually sailed against the wind intentionally, so the return would be easier if things went south.Hawaii to California goes against the currents and winds.