Have arcane UK undergo either revolution or break up

If it was in the US it would probably get choped up into smaller more managable pieces.

We might see wales turning into rhode island,england being like texas and scotland being like maine.

At this point northern ireland probably wont have any objections joining their catholic bretheren,the alternative is worse than death lol.(euro humor)
 

Saphroneth

Banned
If it was in the US it would probably get choped up into smaller more managable pieces.

We might see wales turning into rhode island,england being like texas and scotland being like maine.

At this point northern ireland probably wont have any objections joining their catholic bretheren,the alternative is worse than death lol.(euro humor)

Except that even Scotland would have the same population as Minnesota, and England would still be nearly half again as big as California.

Small country, tightly packed.
 
Well i gues cornwall and northumbria are going to get some recognition then.

There is no nation on the planet that cant be choped up given enough attention and vague historical info.
 
The only part of the United Kingdom to follow the trend was Ireland after the First World War, and it is now a modern, secular, tricolour, democratic Republic.

Northern Ireland would like a word. Plus I'm not sure a state where abortion is illegal on religious grounds could be fully called 'secular'. I do have great respect for the Irish though.

Britain is a very arcane and quite anarchranistic a country. It in many ways resembles Austria-Hubgary more than any modern country, in the sense that is a union of different peoples, or to put it bluntly, an English empire. It also reassembles in many ways a pre-democratic, pre-enlightenment empire with all 'ye olde' institutions such as the nobility and city guilds.

Have Britain, around the time of the First World War, follow the AHE, the Ottomans and the German Empire, along with Tsarist Russia, to the knackers yards, with all four countries becoming independent and sovereign nations (England doesn't have to become a republic, but the three others do.)

Can I make a guess and suggest you don't live in England?

Everything 'ye olde' about England, or rather GREAT BRITAIN (Scotland, Wales and N.I. are still with us afterall), is still in place BECAUSE IT WORKS.

Seriously. Britain ADAPTS. Yes we have A LOT of hangovers from the past centuries, but that is because despite these things we have (in my opinion) one of the most peaceful, progressive and stable nations in the world.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. We fixed the Royals in 1648 (though with a few bumps here and there after). We fixed (or rather disposed of) the Empire following WW1/WW2, even then Home Rule was gathering speed before it fell apart.

Scotland doesn't need a Tricolour. Wales doesn't need a Tricolour. N.I. doesn't need a Tricolour. Even Cornwall doesn't need a Tricolour.

And, most certainly, England doesn't need a Tricolour.

We have problems, but we will work through them, for we are THE United Kingdom. We work through our problems TOGETHER. United we stand, and may this union remain for centuries to come.
 
It'd also be the most populous by a huge, politics-warping margin - apportioned relative to the current 538 electoral votes it would have about 91 (thus making the EV total 629), or to put it another way it would have about half as much clout again as California OTL.

EV wouldn't go up like that. EV = #House of Representatives + #Senators +3 for Washington DC.

The HoR doesn't change size, so it would only go up by the total number of senators added, so 540 unless we're splitting the UK up into constituent parts. So maybe 546ish?
 

Saphroneth

Banned
EV wouldn't go up like that. EV = #House of Representatives + #Senators +3 for Washington DC.

The HoR doesn't change size, so it would only go up by the total number of senators added, so 540 unless we're splitting the UK up into constituent parts. So maybe 546ish?
I know, it's just easier to calculate false extras to show the proportions than to do a full rebalancing.
 
I know, it's just easier to calculate false extras to show the proportions than to do a full rebalancing.

Not that difficult really, though I do enjoy rebalancing legislatures (we're a weird bunch on this board):p

UK = approx 64.1m
US = approx 318.9m
Total = approx 383 million.

383m / 435 = approx 880460

64.1m / 880460 = approx. 73 seats.

California would be 44 seats.
 
I wonder if britain would be republican or democrat,might actually get the US to go somewhere in its political life for a change,go for it yanks,what have you got to lose?
 

Well said, well said indeed. I tip my hat to you sir.

Though the statement "we fixed the royals in 1648" is the most British euphemism ever :D.

I wonder if britain would be republican or democrat,might actually get the US to go somewhere in its political life for a change,go for it yanks,what have you got to lose?

Democrat. Conservatives are closer to democrats and are to the left of them.
 
Britain is a very arcane and quite anarchranistic a country. It in many ways resembles Austria-Hubgary more than any modern country, in the sense that is a union of different peoples, or to put it bluntly, an English empire. It also reassembles in many ways a pre-democratic, pre-enlightenment empire with all 'ye olde' institutions such as the nobility and city guilds. Also, lack of a written constitution.
The only part of the United Kingdom to follow the trend was Ireland after the First World War, and it is now a modern, secular, tricolour, democratic Republic.

1. In Bold, is really utter nonsense, Britain is nothing like Austria-Hungary in any way

2. Its not really a union of different peoples.

3. So because the UK has a monarchy and house of lords its automatically A-H?

4. Ireland has only really been a modern, secular nation since the mid 1990s, and even now I wouldn't say Ireland is noticeably more or less progressive than the UK

This OP is quite frankly offensive and insulting to me, as a British person.
 
I wonder if britain would be republican or democrat,might actually get the US to go somewhere in its political life for a change,go for it yanks,what have you got to lose?

I think UKIP would be a moderating influence on the current GOP, and everyone to their left will have to join the Democrats.:p
 

shiftygiant

Gone Fishin'
Hardly poor, seems to have got quite a few bites if that was the case.

True, though given some of the more... radical things we've seen on the site, this might be serious.

But we'll have to look at the OP previous posts or wait until they respond until we can be certain.

Okay, things we know: OP is Welsh. A lot of OP's posts are about Wales. OP might just have an issue over Wales status in the UK. I doubt very much that the OP is trolling, though I could be wrong.

EDIT: I'm kinda shocked that a mod hasn't shut this down, maybe they're having fun with the comments.
 
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ctayfor

Monthly Donor
I'm a Kiwi and I find the original post to be ignorant, ill informed, offensive and downright insulting to anyone who values the legacy of British parliamentary democracy and the Common Law that so many of us have inherited. The OP is obviously unable to see past the surface vestiges of monarchic and aristocratic structures to the liberal (and I do not mean that in the perjorative sense it is often used in the US) democratic engine that drives the whole system. Austria-Hungary indeed! Pah!:mad:

Such a superficial view of the British political system is obviously why some took this to be from an American. Many Americans (not all, by any stretch of the imagination) only see the outer trappings and don't know anything about the inner workings, in spite of the fact that most of their own institutions derive from British ones. If this is from someone who grew up in the UK, then it stems from an abysmal level of wilfull ignorance that astounds me.:eek:
 
I expected wizards

Given the title I really assumed that this would either be something that had wandered over from ASB or maybe some mad conspiracy theory about a secret network of magical covens in the UK or maybe something a bit more mundane but amusingly novel about more day to day would be magic users who have some kind of national level governing body that might be about the fall out with each other.

A comparison to Austria-Hungary however removes it to less serious realms even than the above.
 
Given the title I really assumed that this would either be something that had wandered over from ASB or maybe some mad conspiracy theory about a secret network of magical covens in the UK or maybe something a bit more mundane but amusingly novel about more day to day would be magic users who have some kind of national level governing body that might be about the fall out with each other.

A comparison to Austria-Hungary however removes it to less serious realms even than the above.

That or the OP works freelance for Fox News (I only recently discovered Fox news - being English I initially thought it was a brilliant satire)
 
Northern Ireland would like a word. Plus I'm not sure a state where abortion is illegal on religious grounds could be fully called 'secular'. I do have great respect for the Irish though.



Can I make a guess and suggest you don't live in England?

Everything 'ye olde' about England, or rather GREAT BRITAIN (Scotland, Wales and N.I. are still with us afterall), is still in place BECAUSE IT WORKS.

Seriously. Britain ADAPTS. Yes we have A LOT of hangovers from the past centuries, but that is because despite these things we have (in my opinion) one of the most peaceful, progressive and stable nations in the world.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. We fixed the Royals in 1648 (though with a few bumps here and there after). We fixed (or rather disposed of) the Empire following WW1/WW2, even then Home Rule was gathering speed before it fell apart.

Scotland doesn't need a Tricolour. Wales doesn't need a Tricolour. N.I. doesn't need a Tricolour. Even Cornwall doesn't need a Tricolour.

And, most certainly, England doesn't need a Tricolour.

We have problems, but we will work through them, for we are THE United Kingdom. We work through our problems TOGETHER. United we stand, and may this union remain for centuries to come.
No I do live in England, and am English.
 
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