Have America reach 2 billion people :)

There had been threads where if it is possible for America to reach 1 billion. But I am just gonna go overboard and see if America can reach 2 billion people! Muahahaha.

Rules-

-You can expand America's size anyway to increase the population
-You can abolish any immigration laws preventing people to enter the US
-Must somehow be possible
-You can have mega-cities similar to Mega-City-One (I don't know if this will help someway)

-If it is possible, make America self-sufficient in manufacturing goods internally to provide itself goods/services, agriculturally provide itself food, provide itself all the water the population needs, etc...

-You can go to the future if possible for America to reach 2 billion but do not pass 2050.

-Have fun :)
 
It's called curiosity at its best.

Is this even possible: America throughout the 18th and 19th centuries conquered much of the bulk of the western hemisphere right after the birth of America from the 15 patriotic colonies. America allowed the accumulation of Catholics to reside and learned to tolerate them when Quebec first joined the American revolution and slowly carved out acceptance of other religions during the Latin campaigns. Immigration policies allowed many people from China, Japan, Europe, and Russia to immigrate to America providing America a new and fast growing workforce its manufacturing factories producing goods, weapons, and medical paraphernalia for future wars back at the Eastern Hemisphere. World War 1 erupted with a large amount of causalities and damage while America stayed neutral proposed by Wilson's isolationists policies. World War 1 went throughout the 1920s; damaging the UK's, Russia's, Germany's, and other European economies and infrastructure. The Allies won but at a cost so great it even went through and worsened throughout the Depression days after the crash of 1929. Europe's economy is in shambles thanks to the long and aggravating war. The US, seeing the damage done by the war it never went through, became more isolationists and self-reliant while still allowing European and Asian refugees entering the massive United States for sanctuary. World War 2 destroyed much of Europe and Asia even more. Japan, instead of attacking Pearl Harbor, attacked Vladivostok and much of USSR Far East so the US remained neutral but still provided weapons, medical supplies, trade goods, and services for both the Allies and Axis, boosting the US economy from the depression. Immigration was expanded for refugees fleeing from war-torn Afro-Eurasia. World War Two ends with Nazi Germany and Japan as victorious but so much of Europe's and Asia's industries damaged from the multiple wars greatly reduced the victors. The US became even more isolationists, creating a neutral pact with both Germany and Japan but aids the failed Allied nations through small reconstruction programs. The US, oblivious to German's visions, sees Germany as an expansionists while seeing Japan wanting control over the Asian Pacific. Japan's and Germany's super oppression of the public and the media became too much and revolts and riots sparked throughout the late 20th century, worsening the economies of the two Axis nations. Industry and manufacturing move to America and America became more like China OTL, producing massive amounts of goods with its massive population of over one billion people. Germany and Japan went to war over the remnants of the rump USSR starting World War 3, even worsening their economies. The US remains the only industrialized hyper-power of the world by the 21st century as its industry continues to expands exponentially providing the most of the world's goods. Immigration to America continues and by 2050 or so, America's population reach two billion people.

Neutral League:
-United States of the Americas
-Republic of the Philippines
-Republic of Ireland (has northern Ireland from the UK)
-Portugal
-Switzerland
-Spain
-Sweden
-Free West African Republic
-Republic of Ethiopia
-Republic of Oceania
-Federation of Congo
-Federal Republic of India
-(Others I have not mentioned)

Allies of the Third World:
-Rump of the United Kingdom
-Free East Australian Republic
-Free New Zealand
-Free South African Republic
-Ural People's Republic (Rump USSR)
-Republic of Southern China
-Norway
-(Other nations I did not mention)

Axis of the Second World:
-Fourth Reich of Germany
-Occupied France
-Italy
-Occupied West Australia
-Occupied Indonesia
-Occupied Netherlands/Belgium/Luxembourg
-Japanese Empire
-Occupied Indochina
-Occupied Korea
-Occupied Formosa
-Occupied Northern China/Manchuria
-Occupied Russia Far East
-Occupied Muscovy
-(Other nations/occupied lands I have not mentioned)
 
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I saw on the web recently a pic showing that if the world population was to live in a city as dense as Manhattan that city would be the size of New Zealand. So if with a bit of Wolfram Alpha and creative guessing I say you would need a City a little smaller than West Virginia. That ain't that big really, if you divide that city up to 10 smaller ones scattered around the US, you would still have plenty of farmland and not even have to dig into any of the national parks. Its quite plausible for the US to have 2 billion. Hell, if solar panels were way more efficient, desalination plants were in use, super advanced GE crops and such like then 4 billion is believable.
 
I saw on the web recently a pic showing that if the world population was to live in a city as dense as Manhattan that city would be the size of New Zealand. So if with a bit of Wolfram Alpha and creative guessing I say you would need a City a little smaller than West Virginia. That ain't that big really, if you divide that city up to 10 smaller ones scattered around the US, you would still have plenty of farmland and not even have to dig into any of the national parks. Its quite plausible for the US to have 2 billion. Hell, if solar panels were way more efficient, desalination plants were in use, super advanced GE crops and such like then 4 billion is believable.

The question of if 2 billion people could live in the United States is'nt really up for debate as we know that 7 billion could with room to spare, the issue is that firstly you're never going to get people to all live in one place like that in the United States and the whole fact their's no realistic way to get the population that high.
 
the whole fact their's no realistic way to get the population that high.

I seriously don't see how this is a fact :confused:

If the US was primarily Catholic or the other Christian sects were far more imposing about birth control and woman not having at least 6 kids were socially shunned the pop could go up easily. A couple vaccines and cure a wee bit earlier, less death + more birth = growth.

It only took China 50 years to go from 500 million to 1 billion. The only reason they stopped was govt intervention. No reason a growth rate like that couldn't occur in the US.

With a far more dominating American Empire of overseas territory of Asian, South American and African colonies taken from the Europeans after a series of some very Alt Hist wars of conquest, they would have more than enough farmland to feed itself. For the people in these overseas plantations TTL is a dystopian nightmare of constant slavelike or outright slave conditions, but it completes the OPs goal of 2 billion Americans.
 
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I seriously don't see how this is a fact :confused:

I'd actually meant to say point, but dmissed it in editing


If the US was primarily Catholic or the other Christian sects were far more imposing about birth control and woman not having at least 6 kids were socially shunned the pop could go up easily. A couple vaccines and cure a wee bit earlier, less death + more birth = growth.

Yet Catholic countries don't have massive birth rates and two of them (well, one and one half, considering Germany is half and half) are among the handful of countries with declining populations.

While religion can have some difference, it does not account for massive differences and frankly a religion that demands women have that many children is not only not going to be majority, but is going to have massive problems in the modern era where their is absolutely no need for having lots of kids.


It only took China 50 years to go from 500 million to 1 billion. The only reason they stopped was govt intervention. No reason a growth rate like that couldn't occur in the US.

China has had 3,000 years as a cohesive society that mostly lives in one area and had a population in hundreds of millions for over a millenia, the only reason they had'nt gone over a billion previously was because of agricultural yields not allowing it, plus China has a history of truly epic diasters killing off millions of people at a time (several of which occurred between 1780-1940) which caused its population to remain low.

Additionally the One Chile Policy is NOT the reason for China's large decrease in population growth as it only affects the Han who live in the cities, ethnic minorities and rural populations are not constrained by it, what has lead to that decrease, as everywhere else, is industrialization and improvement in living and health standards leading to people not needing to have lots of kids.


With a far more dominating American Empire of overseas territory of Asian, South American and African colonies taken from the Europeans after a series of some very Alt Hist wars of conquest, they would have more than enough farmland to feed itself. For the people in these overseas plantations TTL is a dystopian nightmare of constant slavelike or outright slave conditions, but it completes the OPs goal of 2 billion Americans.

Sure, if America controlled a massive chunk of the worlds territory it could, but that's never gonna happen, as everyone else would oppose it and their would be constant giant rebellions in Asia.
 
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