Harshest possible treaty of Versailles

What would be the harshest possible treaty of Versailles for Germany? Preferably, with limited as possible modifications to the actual war, most preferably, with any PODs or decision changes only after the armistice. The treaty neither has to be sensible or lasting in the long term, or even the short term, but should at least be able to maintain the pretense of peace for at least a few years.
 
Harshest possible?

Probably a balkanization of Germany and the Ottoman Empire(Moreso than OTL)so Germany becomes three or four sucessors states, each one with massive reparations to pay, and the Ottoman Empire is divided as per OTL except that Greece keeps what it was promised and a nation is formed in eastern turkey. I really can't think of anyway to balkanize AH any more than OTL. Also, each sucessor state has to pay the same amount of reparations as one did IOTL. So France would be recieving 3-4times the amount of money from Germany.

I don't have a good POD handy for this though.
 

Dirk_Pitt

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What would be the harshest possible treaty of Versailles for Germany? Preferably, with limited as possible modifications to the actual war, most preferably, with any PODs or decision changes only after the armistice. The treaty neither has to be sensible or lasting in the long term, or even the short term, but should at least be able to maintain the pretense of peace for at least a few years.

I would say an occupation of Germany between Britain, France, and Italy. The USA wouldn't join in because technically the USA wasn't part of the Alliance. We were an Associated Power. I know not how this would come about. All I know is I need not throwing banana!
 
I would say an occupation of Germany between Britain, France, and Italy. The USA wouldn't join in because technically the USA wasn't part of the Alliance. We were an Associated Power. I know not how this would come about. All I know is I need not throwing banana!
*stares at Dirk Pitt* You feeling alright? Or are you doing a Kahing imitation w/o communists?
 
I would say an occupation of Germany between Britain, France, and Italy. The USA wouldn't join in because technically the USA wasn't part of the Alliance. We were an Associated Power. I know not how this would come about. All I know is I need not throwing banana!

The French army would straight up mutiny if told to go occupy Germany for the foreseeable future. And the lack of an army to deploy means that the situation in 1919 through the 20's just got a whole lot more revolutionary in Italy and Britain.

So hey, commiewank!

Anyway, my proposal..

Germany keeps fighting for a while longer for whatever reason. French and American troops actually enter the Rhineland, and the cities are literally starving.With French troops actually in the Rhineland, it gets the same treatment Northern France got OTL, while Italy gets everything they wanted, and Poland gets East Prussia. Greece does better in Western Turkey, and "Ionia" is the site of a massive guerrilla conflict for the next decade or so. France would probably also get several choice border area's as "Mandates"
 
Germany divided into half a dozen small nations. France annexes the Saar and Rhineland. Former German States banned from having Armed Forces. No ship building, Armaments or Aviation industries. Taxes on ALL financial transactions no matter how small or for what purpose with the revenue divided between the allies. Confiscation of all merchant ships. Confiscation of all Gold reserves. All german officers over the rank of major to be investigated for war crimes. Those wishing to leave the former Germany must obtain permission from an emigration panel comprised of representatives of the allied powers.
 
Germany-breakup. Schleswig-holstein, Saxony , Hannover, Rheinish principalities separated from Prussia, then Prussia separated into Brandenburg and Prussia(otl east Prussia).

No unification with any german state, no Prussian army/allied occupation, and not allowed to make military alliances with any German states. This added to what peg leg said above

Austria. Hard to make it any worse than otl. Complete breakup once more. No alliance with German states for Austria.

Ottomans. Give Greece Constantinople. Maybe at the extreme force Turks to gtfo out of territory they took from europeans(Anatolia) send them to Asia. Sounds ludicrous, but this the extreme we are talking about.
 
I don't think they could take Anatolia, but East Thrace is quite possible IMO, and possibly Çanakkale.
 
Export the entire Junkers class to French and British colonies as part of a 'war guilt' clause. Expropiate all their wealth and sell their lands on the open market or give it to an enlarged Poland.
 
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