harshest possible treaty of versailles

Germany is divided into multiple independent states like just before German unification, Prussia is wiped out from the map.
 
Prussia ALMOST wiped out off the map:

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Valdemar II

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I have a hard time seing a harder Versailles, simply because the allies lacked the means to enforce it. But if we imagine UK going insane we could se France and possible Belgium annexing the Westen Rhineland, Italy getting the entire Tyrol, Czechoslovakia getting Silesia, and if Denmark got a sever case of brainrot Denmark to Eider, and Poland getting East Prussia
 
Assuming WWI ended as OTL, then if you want to divide Germany into different states you must somehow ensure that they would not reunify in foreseeable future. They would have to have at least some semblance of national identity and or economical independence. Bavaria and/or Rhineland might do, but these both are longshots.

Poland gains all OTL plebiscite areas plus Danzig and all of German minority is forcibly expelled. I doubt Poland could get whole of East Prussia in any even the harshest version of the treaty.
 
Whats the harshest possible treaty of versailles without going into ASB territory

joemac

Are you asking for the harshest treaty or the one that gives the most dramatic changes in reducing Germany's power in Europe? The reason I ask is because a really harsh treaty that splits up Germany but hits all the German states hard, say including heavy reparations and/or forced population movements is likely to backfire badly.

If you split up Germany and penalised the rump Prussia you could get a situation that is a lot more stable and possible permanent - in so much as that phase means anything. I've used this in a couple of ideas myself. Get Prussia, limited largely to its eastern agricultural core and still predominantly conservative seen as the problem by the rest of the German successor states and avoid France getting too threatening and you have a more stable peace.

Steve
 
Well, the Germans had no real bargaining position in 1919... Germany could conceivably have been completely demilitarised and broken down into something of a rump state (or even, as others have mentioned, divided completely)- with an independent Rhineland, Bavaria etc. and slightly greater territorial transfers to France, Belgium and Poland.
It is possible- perhaps likely, that the Germans will initially reject such a treaty (and, I stress, it would require a lot of willpower from the Allies which they did not neccessarily have in the late 1910s/ early 1920s) but, at the end of the day, they will have to settle sooner or later.
 

Typo

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The problem with any harsher Versaille is precisely the same reason as OTL Versaille, which is that there lack meaningful ways of actually enforcing the said treaty, Germany might not be in a good position in 1919, but the allies didn't have the US and Russia to carry out the occupation duty (and financing economical recovery in the case of the US) they had in 1945 either.
 
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