What if the sterotype of Jews in Europe wasn't as merchants and bankers who could be lynched every few years but as the most hard ass mercenary people where even a twelve year old girl could allegedly kill a grown man without even trying and the jewish quarter of a city was a place that if a man said that jews are dogs he would be dead man in less then a minute. How could such a stereotype come about, and how would that effect history.
Hard Ass Jews
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mojojojo
Gone Fishin'
These Jews are so hard assed , put some coal in their tuchus and you get a diamond!
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Also do you think that the Halocaust would still happen or would people just laugh at Hitler?
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Also do you think that the Halocaust would still happen or would people just laugh at Hitler?
The Halocaust would happen when the Covenant invade and Master Chief gets killed on Installation 04. Then the Covenant kill all humans, thus the Halocaust.
To answer your question: there will be no goddam holocaust ITTL.
If anything antisemitism would be even more wide spread because of the much more dangerous and tangible threat the Jews would be perceived as.
That assumes anti-Semitism has a rational core to it. It seems to me, though, that the history of anti-Semitism shows that there are some people who will always hate someone else, particularly the Jews. Mere existence is enough of a reason.
Keenir
Banned
Christendom would be even more certain that the Jews had sold themselves to Satan. why else would the Jews be able to kill Christians with such ease?
From Die Welt December 9th, 1923...
The flamboyant trial of local Rebs Moshe and Shmuel Levi has come to an end yesterday as the jury voted to acquit the two brothers of the murder of local politician Adolph Hitler despite the apparant guilt of the two brothers. Moshe Levi had even reportedly boasted to the media earlier this month that "I killed that pig because he talked bad about my people. When people try to hassle Jews, I don't like it"...
The flamboyant trial of local Rebs Moshe and Shmuel Levi has come to an end yesterday as the jury voted to acquit the two brothers of the murder of local politician Adolph Hitler despite the apparant guilt of the two brothers. Moshe Levi had even reportedly boasted to the media earlier this month that "I killed that pig because he talked bad about my people. When people try to hassle Jews, I don't like it"...
About the only way this is going to work is if the Jews find themselves someplace to settle which is extremely difficult to attack. Because they are constantly having to defend themselves, they become renowned soldiers, and eventually, like the Swiss, begin to be hired out as mercenaries. Perhaps they take over the Alps instead of the Swiss, and at the Battle of Nancy in 1477, the Jewish Pikemen, shouting their battle cry of Death to the Goyim! defeat and kill Charles the Bold of Burgundy.
Skokie
Banned
Egyptians did it!
Jewish mercenary garrison at Yeb (Elephantine), Egypt
We're Jews! We're Jews in space
We're zooming along, protecting the Hebrew race
We're Jews out in space
When goyim attack us,
--We'll give 'em a smack, we'll slap them right back in the face
Jewish mercenary garrison at Yeb (Elephantine), Egypt
We're Jews! We're Jews in space
We're zooming along, protecting the Hebrew race
We're Jews out in space
When goyim attack us,
--We'll give 'em a smack, we'll slap them right back in the face
On the one hand, Your timing is correct in having a jury trial before January 4th, 1924, when the old-fashioned jury-style Schwurgerichte were abolished (Emminger-reform).
On the other hand, Die Welt was founded in 1946.
not necesarily
the basic reason for antisemitism was that yews had no land and no official protection, so it became normal to do anithing or blame anithing on them, wich eventually became a custom, and included all kinds of superstitions
this logically led to them being good tradesmen and value mobile capital like gold and money, as they could run fast and still save some of what they got
this eventually led to manny yews being rich and thus hated ewen more
if in some strange universe these once prosecuted people became known as fierce fighters and ruthless mercenaries, they would ider aquire some land and official status, or would come under the protection of whichewer lord was imploing them at the moment
this way the prosecutions would probbably stop, and in turn, they would start being assimilated into the rest of the population
for political or startegic reasons most of their comunities would swich to the religion of the people paying for their services, and would eventually leave behind olnly some cultural influences, like military terminology, street names and surnames
olnly in places of dense yewish populations they would still be around as minorities or constitutional nationalities
Hmmmm.
Heritage of COH IV Iudaeorum Equitata
By way of an idea: During the Alexandrine War, Julius Caesar depended on auxiliaries from the Eastern client states to bail him out of a tight spot his support for Cleopatra landed him in. Among them were forces from Jusaea who distinguished themselves by bravery and reliability. Caesar, whoi had considerable respect for them, took a cohort of them into his service and maintained them alongside hios Germanic horse guards.
Augustus, having inherited Ceasar's retinue, decided to keep them in his service. He cultivates good relations with the Jews of Italy and the Hasmonaean family and can rely on their support in the taking of Alexandria. As a result - big POD - he exempts the Jews from the dilectus, but allows the to form auxiliary military units that accommodate their usages. They serve in and around Judaea and Syria along the Euphrates and desert frotnier
In the course of the Claudian reform, the Roman army regularises COH IV Iudaeorum Equitata (the original Caesarean unit), I, II and III Iudaica Sagittariorum, V-VI Iudeaorum, I-III Samaritorum and Ala I Iudaeorum.
During the revolt, II Iudaica Sagittariorum and VI Iudaeorum join the rebels. The remaining Jewish units remain loyal, but are distributed across other provinces, mainly the west. Their recruitment continues to be primarily (not exclusively) from among Jewish communities, and Jewish veterans settle around their bases.
By the third-century crisis, it is taken for granted that the Jews are a martial race. Units of Jews are raised and integrated into the Diocletianic army, old ones retained, and non-Jewish units make efforts to accommodate Jewish recruits. Their status remains unaffected iunder the Christian emperors and both in the East Roman Empirew and the Western successor states it is assumed that the Jews are allowed to retain their faith and practises in return for their traditional military service. Jewish quarters in cities raise militias for their kings and both the Frankish and Visigothic kings maintain Jewish bodyguards.
By the Middle Ages, Jewish communities are obligated to render military service to secular lords. Especially the Holy Roman Emperors are able to raise fearsome armies of 'Kaiserjuden'. They can not own land or hold civil office, and participation in craft guilds and the professions is increasingly limited by law. The only option for a young Jew to rise in the world (other than the rabbinate) is the military. Many Jewish war leaders combine literary education and administrative skill with terrifying bravery and legendary aggressiveness. Among the most famous are Isaac of Braunschweig, commander of Henry the Lion's Jewish archers, Salomon Apulus, Frederick II's legendarily skilful and inventive siege engineer, Josue ben Benjamin, admiral of House Berenguer and conqueror of the Balearics, Jonathan Bellister, Edward III's captain of artillery, and 'Metzen-Hansel' Bacharach, captain of Charles IV's life guards.
Not many European nations follow the exhortations of the Vatican to deny the Jews trust and rank, and only the most extreme cases of piety in rulers ever lead even to temporary bans on their employment. By the 18th century, many Jewish families have generation-long traditions of military service and most armies either allow them to serve like Christian soldiers (both Austrian Marschall Bendavid Graf von Theilenhofen and Prussian artillery general von Levin were prominent Jews), or grant them separate career opportunities (Maitre d'Escadre Jean-David Lemuel was commander of the Brest squadron without ever receiving a commission).
Heritage of COH IV Iudaeorum Equitata
By way of an idea: During the Alexandrine War, Julius Caesar depended on auxiliaries from the Eastern client states to bail him out of a tight spot his support for Cleopatra landed him in. Among them were forces from Jusaea who distinguished themselves by bravery and reliability. Caesar, whoi had considerable respect for them, took a cohort of them into his service and maintained them alongside hios Germanic horse guards.
Augustus, having inherited Ceasar's retinue, decided to keep them in his service. He cultivates good relations with the Jews of Italy and the Hasmonaean family and can rely on their support in the taking of Alexandria. As a result - big POD - he exempts the Jews from the dilectus, but allows the to form auxiliary military units that accommodate their usages. They serve in and around Judaea and Syria along the Euphrates and desert frotnier
In the course of the Claudian reform, the Roman army regularises COH IV Iudaeorum Equitata (the original Caesarean unit), I, II and III Iudaica Sagittariorum, V-VI Iudeaorum, I-III Samaritorum and Ala I Iudaeorum.
During the revolt, II Iudaica Sagittariorum and VI Iudaeorum join the rebels. The remaining Jewish units remain loyal, but are distributed across other provinces, mainly the west. Their recruitment continues to be primarily (not exclusively) from among Jewish communities, and Jewish veterans settle around their bases.
By the third-century crisis, it is taken for granted that the Jews are a martial race. Units of Jews are raised and integrated into the Diocletianic army, old ones retained, and non-Jewish units make efforts to accommodate Jewish recruits. Their status remains unaffected iunder the Christian emperors and both in the East Roman Empirew and the Western successor states it is assumed that the Jews are allowed to retain their faith and practises in return for their traditional military service. Jewish quarters in cities raise militias for their kings and both the Frankish and Visigothic kings maintain Jewish bodyguards.
By the Middle Ages, Jewish communities are obligated to render military service to secular lords. Especially the Holy Roman Emperors are able to raise fearsome armies of 'Kaiserjuden'. They can not own land or hold civil office, and participation in craft guilds and the professions is increasingly limited by law. The only option for a young Jew to rise in the world (other than the rabbinate) is the military. Many Jewish war leaders combine literary education and administrative skill with terrifying bravery and legendary aggressiveness. Among the most famous are Isaac of Braunschweig, commander of Henry the Lion's Jewish archers, Salomon Apulus, Frederick II's legendarily skilful and inventive siege engineer, Josue ben Benjamin, admiral of House Berenguer and conqueror of the Balearics, Jonathan Bellister, Edward III's captain of artillery, and 'Metzen-Hansel' Bacharach, captain of Charles IV's life guards.
Not many European nations follow the exhortations of the Vatican to deny the Jews trust and rank, and only the most extreme cases of piety in rulers ever lead even to temporary bans on their employment. By the 18th century, many Jewish families have generation-long traditions of military service and most armies either allow them to serve like Christian soldiers (both Austrian Marschall Bendavid Graf von Theilenhofen and Prussian artillery general von Levin were prominent Jews), or grant them separate career opportunities (Maitre d'Escadre Jean-David Lemuel was commander of the Brest squadron without ever receiving a commission).
carlton_bach
Very, very interesting idea. If it can resist the opposition of the church especially the Papacy it could become a goer. Would really weaken the Papacy in their struggles for power with secular rulers however as potentially a ruler could have loyal units virtually totally immune to the church's influence.
Steve
Very, very interesting idea. If it can resist the opposition of the church especially the Papacy it could become a goer. Would really weaken the Papacy in their struggles for power with secular rulers however as potentially a ruler could have loyal units virtually totally immune to the church's influence.
Steve