Hm, that's interesting. I'd imagine that the Imperial Socialist Labour Party walks a pretty fine line, then.
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Hm, that's interesting. I'd imagine that the Imperial Socialist Labour Party walks a pretty fine line, then.
Henry Hayes was the President in Stargate SG-1. This timeline is also a Stargate crossover in another life. A life I'm eagerly waiting to see.
Interesting. So in TTL Al-Qaeda is based in Somalia not Afghanistan. What's the state of Afghanistan ITTL? is it stable? or did the Russians make a better job of their invasion? What's Saudi Arabia peninsular like ITTL?
I seem to remember a post (might have been from his posts in the infobox thread, not this one) that the twin towers (as OTL) were hit in New York, and that the houses of Parliament were hit as well as it was mentioned that the queen re-opened them after being re-built.
also, shouldn't 9/11 really be 11/9 given standard date format among most other nations IOTL is dd/mm/yy
Point, had forgotten that but why would the world trade centre be in New York and not London? Also this timeline has killed the M/d/y which is excellent
Then again, why wouldn't a building called the "World Trade Centre" be in New York City?
Yes. Also, everyone should drive on the correct (i.e. left) side of the road.
Yes. Also, everyone should drive on the correct (i.e. left) side of the road.
Indeed. and it seems that most places do given the reach and influence of the UKE.
I don’t know maybe because at one point the London was described as the world capital (it was nearly the Headquarters of the UN) and unlike Washington DC, London is on one the most busiest and important trade lanes in the world.Then again, why wouldn't a building called the "World Trade Centre" be in New York City?
Yes. Also, everyone should drive on the correct (i.e. left) side of the road.
And that’s just OTL,in this world London is the capital of an empire which has eclipsed the Roman Empire in power and scope, is likely is the headquarters of the UN along with Headquarters of the Commonwealth and the U.K.E Parliament. Also it’s a few hours flight from the EU capital one of the largest combined economy’s in the world.
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Here's a fun fact. The initials "SDP" is a normal way to refer to the Social Democrats, and thus it's actually a widereaching myth that the initials stand for Social Democratic Party.
It actually stands for Social Democrats and Progressives. But I think SDP would probably have been used before that as an unofficial catchy initialism for the Party of Social Democrats, so it's actually a bit of a chicken and egg question, really.
It actually stands for Social Democrats and Progressives. But I think SDP would probably have been used before that as an unofficial catchy initialism for the Party of Social Democrats, so it's actually a bit of a chicken and egg question, really.
As it was ANZAC day yesterday it got me thinking, is there something similar ITTL? Would the whole empire mourn on the same remembrance day or would there still be a separate remembrance day... maybe a WAANZAC day to include western Australia?
LeinadB93
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Based on my half finished wikibox and notes for TTL's attack, it involved a coordinated strike by multiple aircraft in New York and London simultaneously. The attacks in England took place roughly between 1:30 and 2:45 pm (local time), whilst in New York it was between 8:46 and 10:28 am (local time). I plan on finishing it off at some point...
The World Trade Centre (and the Twin Towers) is located in New York, and was destroyed as OTL with two plane strikes. Another two planes struck the Palace of Westminster (central London) and the Pentagon (OTL Northwood Headquarters in Hillingdon). Another three flights were hijacked, two targeting the Triskelion (a military complex analogous to a secondary Pentagon located in Fredericksburg (OTL Washington D.C.), totally stolen from the Marvel Cinematic Universe
) and another targeting either Buckingham Palace or Whitehall. One of the flights targeting Fredericksburg was brought down in Allegheny (OTL western Pennsylvania) when passengers attempted to take control, whilst the other was shot down by air defences. A similar situation took place in the one targeting Buckingham Palace, which came down in West Berkshire.9/11 retains its OTL designation for reasons of convergence. But the "in universe" explanation is that a local reporter for the Texan News Service was one of the first to report and broadcast footage, and in it they referred to the date as September 11 - so the 9/11 bit stuck from there.
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Yes in TTL Al-Qaeda is based in Somalia, which was a hotbed of sectarian tension and military strongmen for much of the late 20th century. The Invasion of Somalia was partly about getting bin Laden, partly about stabilising the country, and partly about the possibility of the hardline government having chemical weapons (allegedly). Somalia has since reformed as a weak republic within the Commonwealth, but suffers a lot of OTL problems.Afghanistan ITTL is a stable constitutional monarchy that is part of the Soviet sphere.
The Arabian Peninsula of TTL is dominated by the Hashemite Federation (commonly known as Mashriq), with the Rashidis controlling most of Nejd and the Saudis limited to the Hasa region on the Persian Gulf. The OTL UAE is expanded to include Bahrain and Qatar, as the United Gulf Emirates, whilst OTL South Yemen is a federation (known as Abyan) formed along similar lines. The UGE, Abyan and Kuwait are members of the Common Defence Pact, basically a more global Commonwealth-based NATO, and this is part of the reason Britain got involved in the Nejd-Hasa War of the early 2000s (plus a concern about oil supplies).
My thinking here is that London is definitely the Empire's First City (and one of the world's most important hubs), home to the British Imperial Government and the headquarters of the Commonwealth, with its proximity to Europe (including Paris, Brussels and Geneva - UN HQ) making it a major place for business.
I think that with the strength of America behind it, Britain decentralises a lot of things, especially post-WW2 where the Home Isles were nearly cut off from the rest of the Empire. So New York and other cities rise as major financial and business centres of the Empire. The World Trade Centre being located in New York makes sense as well, because it equals London as a financial and trade centre.
Indeed, many parties of the left-wing/far-left tread a fine line. the Imperial Socialist Labour Party is more mainstream, less communist and more democratic socialist at this point.
Syndicalist parties would probably not be covered under the ban, which would be mainly used against parties linked to (or suspected to be involved with, or funded by) the Soviet Union.
Hayes is indeed a remnant of this series' previous iteration as a Stargate timeline. The Stargate is real ITTL, but references are minor and not overt, although the Triskelion is (in my head) the home of Homeworld Command ITTL.
I could see the Asian/Pacific dominions having their own memorial/remembrance day. And ANZAC Day may be as good a day as any. However the Empire definitely mourns as a whole on 11 November every year.
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Global Rules of the Road
LeinadB93
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Yes. Also, everyone should drive on the correct (i.e. left) side of the road.
You just had to ask:
NOTE: I will expand the description for this over the next few days. But I don't have time to do it now...
The terms left-hand traffic (LHT) and right-hand traffic (RHT) refer to the practice, in bidirectional traffic situations, to keep to the left side or to the right side of the road, respectively. This is so fundamental to traffic flow that it is sometimes referred to as the rule of the road. 73 countries currently use LHT, with 68 states exclusively using RHT, only Portugal and the Netherlands have non-uniform driving rules in their territories, as the overseas regions of Macau and Suriname respectively use LHT. Most of the countries with LHT were formerly part of the British colonial empire, whilst many of the countries with RHT were subject to French rule during the Napoleonic conquests.
LHT is used by a majority of countries in North and South America, Africa, Oceania and East Asia, whilst RHT countries are mainly located in Europe, Central Asia and the Middle East. The British and Portuguese were responsibly for the introduction of LHT in the Americas and Africa during the colonial era, although prior to 1876 many parts of Britain-in-America used RHT. The construction of the Pan-American Highway in the mid-20th century led most Latin American countries to standardise their driving laws, and over the course of the century most of the continent switched to LHT. French Guiana and the islands of Cuba, Hispaniola, French Polynesia and the French and Dutch West Indies (excluding Suriname), are the only territories in the New World to continue to use RHT.
In Africa, most countries used the traffic laws of their colonial power, although Dutch Angola and Portuguese Mozambique both used LHT due to the influence of neighbouring British and Brazilian territories. The French and Savoian colonies of North and West Africa used RHT. Adamawa, Somalia, and Madagascar all had non-uniform driving laws in their territories until the mid-20th century as a result of their status as condominiums between multiple colonial powers. Wehran, the Comoros, and Reunion remain the only RHT territories on the continent, the latter two are part of France, as a result of French colonial influence. Most previously RHT states switched to LHT in the 1970s, to bring them into line with the more numerous LHT states, beginning with Nigeria. Egypt had predominately used LHT, as a result of British influence, but the Suez Canal and western border regions used RHT until the government standardised in 1983. Morocco had previously used LHT in the major cities, whereas RHT was common in the southern and interior deserts.
British and Japanese influences has resulted in all of South and East Asia using LHT, with Manchuria and Korea all adopting LHT in the early 21st century and British, Dutch and Portuguese colonies in Southeast Asia using the system. The Philippines used LHT when it was a Spanish colony, whilst Thailand adopted it due to British influence in neighbouring Burma and Malaya. The countries of former French Indochina all adopted LHT after independence due to being surrounded by LHT states, and the only part of East Asian to still be RHT is the French territory of Guangzhouwan. From the 1930s to 40s, Nationalist China adopted RHT, and the territories it conquered in Asia were forced to convert to RHT before reverting at the end of the war.
Cyprus and Abyan are the only two countries to have switched to RHT in the late 20th century, the former due to its close ties to Turkey and Greece, both of which use RHT, and the latter due to the extensive land borders with Yemen, Nejd and Oman, all RHT states. Cuba is the only state to currently be contemplating a switch to LHT, due to the extensive trade with British and Latin America, and the large number of LHD vehicles in the country.
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Jason Stuckey
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Oh shit, you realize what you've done right? With TTL 9/11 having much higher casualties-including striking the seat of government-the outrage will make the reaction to OTL 9/11 look like a spring breeze. Bush may have a harder time trying to be conciliatory towards Islam.The World Trade Centre (and the Twin Towers) is located in New York, and was destroyed as OTL with two plane strikes. Another two planes struck the Palace of Westminster (central London) and the Pentagon (OTL Northwood Headquarters in Hillingdon). Another three flights were hijacked, two targeting the Triskelion (a military complex analogous to a secondary Pentagon located in Fredericksburg (OTL Washington D.C.), totally stolen from the Marvel Cinematic Universe
Shouldn't it be 9/9 then?
Begin the Purge of RHT CountriesIndeed - there are still countries that cling to the right-hand traffic heresy!