Hail, Britannia

[Arthur Marston]

That's true, but the POD here is sometime in the 1600s or sooner, which gives more than enough time for butterflies to mangle the events that led up to the OTL French Revolution.

Uhhh, Leinad has gone on record as saying there isn't one big POD here, but multiple small PODs.

 

[HeX]

Uhhh, Leinad has gone on record as saying there isn't one big POD here, but multiple small PODs.

Well, even so, they're multiple small PODs a long time before the OTL French Revolution.

 

[LeinadB93]

I actually love all those designs! Particularly the Caribbean national flags, the Puerto Rican flag I think will both be unique and fit in a little more with rest of the UKE, The Cross being a local national symbol a la ITTL's Canadian Leaf and Floridian Cross. Don't have much of an opinion on the Spain/Castile, but the logic behind the removal of the yellow coloring makes sense. and Lastly the Carolinian flag I think probably makes more sense than the present one (also freeing you up to use that tricolor for some Missourian subdivision flag if you don't have any ready yet ), and the design convergence with OTL confederate symbolism does still make sense ITTL, what with Carolina probably feeling the same remembrance-y feelings about the Republican rebellion that OTL southrons do the American Civil War.

I love all four of those flags, but especially the Cuba and Carolina ones. Sleek designs and they reflect the heritage for both countries ITTL. I don't think the Carolina one is too close to OTL Confederate symbols, honestly; there's no reason the color combination wouldn't exist ITTL, especially if the red on the right isn't representative of battle losses.

Thank you for your feedback I'm glad people seem to like them. Consider them canon though it'll have to wait whilst I complete my updating and retconning

 

[LeinadB93]

IIRC, the entry on the Western European monarchies implies that the Estado Novo regime never comes to power in Portugal. Yet Portugal still holds on to its colonial holdings until the 1970s like IOTL, which is strange because the only reason why they held on so long IRL was because the Estado Novo fought tooth and nail to keep them.

Portuguese history definitely needs to be fleshed out in more detail. My main assumption has been that with the survival of Luis, Prince Royal rather than his brother (OTL Manuel II) after the 1910 regicide, the military (who apparently favoured Luis over his brother) would support the monarchy against republicans. I imagine the 1910s and 20s in Portugal are full of unrest and instability, and probably culminate with some sort of military-backed (maybe corporatist or quasi-fascist) government coming to power. Although it would democratise in the 1960s, Portugal held its colonial empire until the 1970s partly due to the fact that decolonisation was slower ITTL, but also there was no USA supporting the African nationalists as in the OTL Colonial War, instead the United Empire was also gradually decolonising Africa, so Portugal joined suit.

@LeinadB93 In OTL, the US served to show that republics didn't work only as city-states (the belief of the time) and could work as large nations, so, withouth it, how did the French one not only happen but have the same ideological nature than OTL? While a revolution was fated to start at some point, how did it gain an republican tone when there weren't any big examples of it working on the scale of a country as large as France and the closest example it would have would be the Protestant and Glorious Revolutions?

I mean, is there a reason the French can't simply be the first republicans instead of the Americans ITTL?

France was on the road to revolution before the America war of independence, I think someone earlier in the thread actually mentioned that without the war of independence the revolution might have happened earlier than in OTL.

Even without the example of the United States, I think the monarchy would still be tainted by association with France's misfortunes.

Reading around the French Revolution, my opinion is that it was inevitable that a revolution would break out in France given the French government was deeply in debt; it's unpopular taxation schemes, years of bad harvests and popular resentment of the privileges enjoyed by the aristocracy and the Catholic clergy of the established church.

In terms of the republican sentiment within the French Revolution, yes with the USA there is no real template for republicanism on a large scale. The closest comparison ITTL would be the Commonwealth period under Cromwell, but even that is not really comparable to the republican Americans. However, at first most of the Assembly still favoured a constitutional monarchy rather than a republic, and the turning points seem to have been the Flight to Varennes, the Brunswick Manifesto (maybe) and the vetoes exercised by Louis XVI in June 1792, that led to the insurrection on 10 August and the abolition of the monarchy on 21 September 1792.

Historians ITTL regard the Revolution as inevitable, and that Louis XVI refusal to surrender absolutist power as a defining moment that turned the assembly from monarchy to republic.

That's true, but the POD here is sometime in the 1600s or sooner, which gives more than enough time for butterflies to mangle the events that led up to the OTL French Revolution.

Uhhh, Leinad has gone on record as saying there isn't one big POD here, but multiple small PODs.

Well, even so, they're multiple small PODs a long time before the OTL French Revolution.

Indeed, there is no singular PoD for this timeline, instead multiple smaller ones. None of them are really big enough to affect the outbreak of the French Revolution, and as outlined above IMHO that revolution was inevitable after the Seven Years' War.

 

[LeinadB93]

Here's a question considering the current global situation and as this is a type two timeline will there be a pandemic in this timeline at some point.

If there is one where will it originate, will it become a pandemic or will it be stopped in time, how will the UKE, EU, Soviet Union, Commonwealth of Nations and the common travel area respond to it and due to how different nations are to their OTL equivalent how will it effect them.

Considering one of actual creators of the OTL EU is warning that the virus could end the European project entirely, it would be interesting to see if a the difference in this version of the EU can hold up.

The UKE is a transcontinental nation so it will have to by design respond quickly to threat, and which will effect the Commonwealth of Nations with them being far more unified and connected in TL.

There will be no Covid-19 pandemic ITTL.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to map a global pandemic.

In this time of crisis, we need some positivity.

 

[StormStar]

There will be no Covid-19 pandemic ITTL.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to map a global pandemic.

In this time of crisis, we need some positivity.

Wasn’t asking you if were going to do it now nor demanding you do it. I was mainly curious how close the timeline is otl and if would be cover at all.

 

[Arthur Marston]

Although it would democratise in the 1960s, Portugal held its colonial empire until the 1970s partly due to the fact that decolonisation was slower ITTL, but also there was no USA supporting the African nationalists as in the OTL Colonial War, instead the United Empire was also gradually decolonising Africa, so Portugal joined suit.

IIRC, most of the anti-colonial rebellions in Portugal's colonies were backed by the Soviets.

 

[LeinadB93]

IIRC, most of the anti-colonial rebellions in Portugal's colonies were backed by the Soviets.

The USA also backed them, and covertly supported a failed military coup.

The Soviets are weaker ITTL owing to the harsher Second World War. Plus Portugal and Britain are close allies, so that plays a factor in their decolonisation. As France, Britain, Portugal and the Netherlands all (gradually) decolonised in the 1960s-80s, Portugal didn't stand out and followed the pattern of other countries.

 

[Gust]

There will be no Covid-19 pandemic ITTL.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to map a global pandemic.

In this time of crisis, we need some positivity.

To be fair it's pretty easy to butterfly that away.

 

[Julio974]

There will be no Covid-19 pandemic ITTL.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to map a global pandemic.

In this time of crisis, we need some positivity.

One of the suggested options is to have this pandemic remain a small outbreak: a few people are contaminated, the problem is reported to health authorities, Wuhan (or a subset of the city) is put under lockdown immediately, and the outbreak dies out with very few deaths. This is actually a realistic scenario, as the same already happened in India.

To be fair it's pretty easy to butterfly that away.

We already have the apocalypse outside, no need to bring it into this better world.

 

[Julio974]

Also, here's yet another graphic out of the 2015 British imperial elections (most information is canon):

The seats share is not needed, as it's nearly identical (MMP system).

 

[Gust]

We already have the apocalypse outside, no need to bring it into this better world.

My thought is that China TTL might ban those animal markets permanently, which would make it so that the outbreak doesn't happen.

 

[LeinadB93]

Here we go, a bit of retconning in terms of flag, coat of arms and family name, whilst also allowing me to reaffirm my love of all things monarchy

The House of Covadonga (Spanish: Case de Covadonga), occasionally the House of Bourbon-Cuba (Spanish: Casa de Borbón-Cuba), is a cadet branch of the Spanish House of Bourbon-Anjou, and the reigning royal house of the Kingdom of Cuba. It descends from the French Capetian dynasty and the House of Bourbon in legitimate male line through Philippe de Bourbon, Duke of Anjou, a younger grandson of Louis XIV of France (1638–1715) who established the Bourbon dynasty in Spain in 1700 as Felipe V (1683–1746). In 1933, Alfonso Fernando, the eldest son of King Alfonso Leon I of the Antilles abdicated his place in the line of succession to marry a commoner, and was granted the title of "Count of Covadonga", becoming the founder of the House of Covadonga. During the Second World War, Alfonso Fernando led the Cuban independence movement and was crowned the first King of Cuba after the dissolution of the Spanish Antilles, and his descendants occupy the Cuban throne and constitute the extant Covadonga family.

The current Cuban royal family consists of the present king, the queen consort, their children and grandchildren, the queen dowager, the king's siblings, their spouses and their children. Cuba uses the system of male-preference cognatic primogeniture in the line of succession to the throne, with male dynasts and their heirs coming before any sisters, hence why King Alfonso Fernando II succeeded to the throne ahead of his older sister, Infanta Cristina, upon the death of their father in 1997. Currently the line of succession to the throne is limited to the heirs of King Alfonso Fernando I, but if the line were to be extinguished the 1987 amendments to the constitution reserves the right for the Cortes Generales to designate the successor to the throne.

 

[LeinadB93]

And of course, it would not be complete without an updated and amended list of the Cuban monarchs and prime ministers:

Heads of State of Cuba (1868–) [King/Queen of the Antilles from 1868-1940; King of Cuba since 1940]

1868–1877: Isabel II (exiled from Spain after the Spanish Revolution, abdicated)​

1877–1922: Alfonso Francisco I​

1922–1940: Alfonso León I​

1940–1958: Alfonso Fernando I (led a Cuban Revolt against the pro-Axis government, older brother of Jaime IV of Peru and Juan Carlos I of Santo Domingo)​

1958–1997: Enrique Antonio I​

1997–2017: Alfonso Fernando II​

Heir apparent: Infante Carlos Enrique, Duke of Havana​

Prime Ministers of the Kingdom of Cuba (1941–)

11. 1941–1945 Fulgencio Batista Zaldívar (United Action) (1st)​

12. 1945–1952 Carlos Prío Socarrás (Revolutionary)​

11. 1952–1956 Fulgencio Batista Zaldívar (United Action) (2nd)​

13. 1956–1961 Fidel Castro (Socialist Workers') (1st)​

14. 1961–1965 José Miró Cardona (Christian Democratic)​

13. 1965–1974 Fidel Castro (Socialist Workers') (2nd)​

15. 1974–1979 Huber Matos (Christian Democratic)​

13. 1979–1987 Fidel Castro (Socialist Workers') (3rd)​

16. 1987–1990 Isidoro Malmierca Peoli (Socialist Workers')​

17. 1990–1994 Manuel Artime Buesa (Christian Democratic)​

18. 1994–2001 Ricardo Alarcón (Socialist Workers')​

19. 2001–2005 Erneido Oliva (Christian Democratic)​

10. 2005–2012 Felipe Pérez Roque (Socialist Workers')​

11. 2012–2018 Mario Díaz-Balart (Christian Democratic)​

12. 2018–2020 Miguel Díaz-Canel (Socialist Workers')​

 

[Analytical Engine]

More monarchy, more better.

 

[LeinadB93]

More monarchy, more better.

Always but you have no idea what I've got in the pipeline for monarchies

 

[Analytical Engine]

Always but you have no idea what I've got in the pipeline for monarchies

As long as it involves more monarcho-awesome, and less heretical *spit* republics, I will be happy.

 

[Excelsior]

The House of Covadonga

What exactly is the descent of this family from the Spanish royal family?

 

[Analytical Engine]

What exactly is the descent of this family from the Spanish royal family?

I'm assuming:

Isabel II

Isabella II - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Alfonso Francisco I

Alfonso XII - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Alfonso Léon I

Alfonso XIII - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Alfonso Ferdinando I

Alfonso, Prince of Asturias (1907–1938) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Who, BTW, was Count of Covadonga. IOTL, he died, aged 31, due to fatal internal injuries suffered during a car accident (he had haemophilia).

 

[Dizzy Miss Lizzy]

And here is the most up-to-date world map:

Credit to the amazing people at The QBAM Thread for the Base Map.

is that jewish east prussia?